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Strange transition behaviors after split (solved via work-around)
ThinAirDesigns [Avatar]
Newbie Joined: Jun 15, 2015 17:20 Messages: 2 Offline
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Hi folks. Relatively new PowerDirector user here with no other video editing software experience (but experienced computer user). I am using 13 Ultra 13.0.2604.0. My computer is a almost new Acer laptop with 8gig ram and Windows 8

My problem is related to the use of the split function. I have a video all put together with transitions and everything and have done voice over work in several stages. In order to move my voice over track up into my track one audio track space, I hit split at a location of silence so I can trim and mate the two tracks. When I create the split (and do nothing else), it totally screws with my transitions downstream.

I did a screen capture to show the problem and have posted the short clip on YouTube.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25Alm3SNoZo

Suggestions?

Thanks in advance.

JB

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jcardana
Senior Contributor Location: USA-NM Joined: Aug 04, 2014 10:11 Messages: 650 Offline
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First of all, if you want to slit the voice over, select that clip and then click split. When I don't have any clips selected, it splits everything where the timeline marker is.

Second, I have the same problem with transitions working backwards. I think it's still a glitch in PD. I just make a new Saved file, indexed with a number "My Movie #". Then Close PD and open again with the newest file. The transitions will work correctly again.

If you render the video without doing this, it will render the transition backwards. CyberPowerPC | Win7HP-64 | AMD FX-8320 3.5 Ghz | 8GB Mem | NVIDIA GeForce GTX 750 Ti 2GB | WEI 5.9


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jcardana
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I make the extra effort to get everything in place and cut/trimmed correctly before I add transitions. Just yesterday while putting together a GradVid, I had to close and re-open PD three times to correct reversed transitions. My opinion is it's a glitch when editing clips that have transitions on that track. I haven't noticed reversed transitions on other tracks. CyberPowerPC | Win7HP-64 | AMD FX-8320 3.5 Ghz | 8GB Mem | NVIDIA GeForce GTX 750 Ti 2GB | WEI 5.9


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ThinAirDesigns [Avatar]
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THANKS jcardana. Such great workarounds (and general advice)

I had figured out to add my transitions last and that was my current mode (still will be), but the select and then split I hadn't figured out (NICE) and the "Save As" another file and reopen works for me now as well.

I now have a quiver full of ways to get around this. You ROCK!!

Thanks
JB
jcardana
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Quote: ...the "Save As" another file and reopen works for me now as well.


I got that idea from the PowerDirector Tutorials from PDtoots. This page (in my opinion) is one of the best for tutorials.

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jcardana
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I submitted a ticket with Cyberlink about this issue. "Spoke" to three diff people so far. They can't reproduce our problem. I doubt it's on any bug reports list. Go figure.

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jcardana
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Just got word from CyberLink Support...
we are able to reproduce the issue in our lab and engineers are assigned to check the issue.

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optodata
Senior Contributor Location: California, USA Joined: Sep 16, 2011 16:04 Messages: 8630 Offline
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That's great that CL was able to replicate the issue. I just ran some tests and found some really bizarre things:

For my test project I used the 20x boats.wmv from another thread and then rotated every other clip 180° to make the transition problems easier to see. Then I applied random overlapped (not cross-fade) transitions. After I made a split - either full timeline like OP did or a selecting a single clip - the transition at the end of the split clip worked normally but every-other transition was broken all the way to the end. For example, if I split the first clip, then the first and every odd-numbered transition (3rd, 5th, 7th) is OK, but all the even-numbered transitions (2nd, 4th, 6th) are broken!

As if that wasn't strange enough, when I hit Ctrl+Z all the broken (even-numbered) transitions were restored but all the odd-numbered transitions (except for the first one past my split) were now broken! That means the undo doesn't actually undo anything, instead it breaks things in a different way!yell

We're definitely going to need a patch for that!

Oh, and another workaround is to simply close PD and reopen it. The damage is confined to the working image in RAM (and is related to why the Undo doesn'r work properly) and even if you save the project in the "damaged" state, it will actually open up and behave correctly.

Everyone is welcome to download my *project* and give it a try on their systems to see if they get the same results.

YouTube/optodata


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optodata
Senior Contributor Location: California, USA Joined: Sep 16, 2011 16:04 Messages: 8630 Offline
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Quote: ...In order to move my voice over track up into my track one audio track space, I hit split at a location of silence so I can trim and mate the two tracks...
There's usually no reason to go through those extra steps. PD will automatically mix and include the audio on all tracks, and there's nothing special about having all your audio on a single track.

In fact, keeping your audio on different tracks will let you easily do voiceovers or music fade-ins/outs over the existing audio of your clips. It's a lot more work to try to do that and line up and sync the fades when everything's one 1 track.
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