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Vapian
Newbie Location: Rock Hill, SC Joined: Aug 15, 2011 17:29 Messages: 38 Offline
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I think I may have stumbled across an issue in PD10's titling; perhaps someone here can see if they can duplicate in this scenario:

The video needs a sort of "running commentary" of bullet points that change as the video progresses. To do this I added a basic Title to the timeline and stretched it to fit the length of the video (about 15 minutes). At the start this displays a single text element in the upper left corner, just outside the "TV safe" zone.

At the point in the video where the first bullet point comes up, I split the Title and added an additional Title element with the first bullet point, positioned just inside the TV safe zone (the border of the title element is two screen pixels to the right of the zone outline). The element is left justified.

As the video progresses, at each point where bullet points need to be added, changed or removed, the Title is again split and the changes made inside the same element container. This just seems easier than constantly going back and inserting a new Title, and doesn't require any tweaking to make sure the right text pops up at the right time.

What happens is that at each split after each text edit, the second title element -- the one inside the TV safe zone and the one being edited -- "creeps" a few screen pixels to the right. I'm not certain whether this occurs during the split, the editing or during the save but I am certain that I am not intentionally or accidentally moving the element itself. I can understand why the right border would move as text is added or removed, but not the entire element.

When viewed, as the video progresses and the title elements change at each split, all of the text inside the edited element visually "jumps" a few pixels to the right. Over time this leads to considerable creep from the original position.

This certain seems to be a bug causing title elements to shift position either when the title is split, edited and/or saved (not sure which yet). I cannot think of any reason why this would be an intended behavior. If it matters, the text has a gray gradient from top to bottom (0 to 127) and no other effects other than the occasional bold or italic.

Has anyone else noticed this or is willing to confirm?

Thanks!
ynotfish
Senior Contributor Location: N.S.W. Australia Joined: May 08, 2009 02:06 Messages: 9977 Online
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Hi Vapian -

I followed your steps to try to replicate the issue, but failed. I could not get the text elements to "creep".

At each split, & newly inserted title, I aligned the bullet points horizontally... using "Align Left" & the arrow keys to tweak position.

It would be nice (in this circumstance) to be able to align/distribute the elements/titles with one click.

Cheers - Tony


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Vapian
Newbie Location: Rock Hill, SC Joined: Aug 15, 2011 17:29 Messages: 38 Offline
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ynotfish,

Ah... I may have been less than clear about one aspect of what I'm doing.

At the start of the title, I have Element 1 and Element 2. From here on out, Element 1 is left alone.

At Split 1, Element 2 is edited -- say, from 1 line of text to 2 lines.

At Split 2, Element 2 is edited again, from 2 lines to 4 lines.

At Split 3, Element 2 is edited again, changing the first line and removing lines 2, 3 and 4...

... and so on. So, rather than continuing to add and remove elements, this is essentially continued editing of a single element with a varying number of lines after each split.

Does that vary from the way you did your test?
ynotfish
Senior Contributor Location: N.S.W. Australia Joined: May 08, 2009 02:06 Messages: 9977 Online
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Vapian - it does! & thank you for the clarification.

Now that I'm doing it the same way you have, I see the issue & my PD10 is behaving exactly the same way.

Did you notice that, after each split & edit (of Title element 2), when you click "Save" to return to the main workspace, that the title element jumps across on the preview screen?

Anyway - yes - now that I understand - I can confirm your observations in playback. With no user intervention, the title element shifts itself in this circumstance. In preview, & in the produced file, the title jumps/creeps fractionally to the right at each split.

Cheers - Tony
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Vapian
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ynotfish - thanks for your help in verifying this!

So... just curious... does this thread constitute a bug report, or do I have to send it someplace else so it has a chance of making onto a developer's plate?

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ynotfish
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Quote: does this thread constitute a bug report, or do I have to send it someplace else so it has a chance of making onto a developer's plate?


No - this thread does not constitute a bug report.

Possibly, other users will confirm the issue.
Possibly, the moderator will inform CyberLink.
Possibly, the R&D people at CL will look into it.
Possibly, it will be corrected in a future patch.

All we know for sure is that title creep is an issue for 100% of PD users who've tested it (and reported their findings) so far!

Cheers - Tony
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Cranston
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I can also confirm the issue that Vapian discovered and described above.

And this is a major issue.
Because, it basically renders the Insert Title feature useless if the extra text added (via the Insert Title option in Title Designer), begins shifting to new a new position, when additional Splits are added to a text template.
Yes, the workaround is to just open a new track for each bit of text. But that doesn't repair the issue.
(Note: This bug is not only exclusive to the Preview. The auto-shifting text is also present in the Produced file.)
A quick example of this auto-shifting text bug is available here...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEtveXgkoLg

OK, so issue posted, and now two confirmations.

Vapian wrote:
... does this thread constitute a bug report, or do I have to send it someplace else so it has a chance of making onto a developer's plate?

Ynotfish (who also confirmed) replied:
No - this thread does not constitute a bug report. Possibly, other users will confirm the issue. Possibly, the moderator will inform CyberLink.


Dafydd, could you please chime in and confirm to the membership here, that Cyberlink is aware of this issue/bug?
Thanks.

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Cranston
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Hi Vapian,

Though not in the 1129a release notes, it appears that upon re-testing (by following the exact same steps as displayed in the linked example above), that this shifting text at each split issue has been resolved/fixed in the recent 1129a update patch.
Don't know if you or ynotfish have had an opportunity to re-test for yourselves. Just sharing my results.


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Vapian
Newbie Location: Rock Hill, SC Joined: Aug 15, 2011 17:29 Messages: 38 Offline
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Quote: Hi Vapian,

Though not in the 1129a release notes, it appears that upon re-testing ... that this shifting text at each split issue has been resolved/fixed in the recent 1129a update patch.

Thanks for mentioning it!

After applying the patch and starting a new project that needed to be done anyway, it does appear that the horizontal shifting issue has been resolved. Cool!

I have been experiencing another issue related to font and line spacing resulting in some vertical shift as new lines are entered, but need to resolve it into a repeatable scenario before I say much more. Probably a new thread in that one, though.

Thanks for everyone's help in confirming this, and to Cyberlink for getting it fixed!
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