Pepsi,

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yes, it's the GTX 750Ti rather PD13. PD13 doesn't like it.

Yes, at least for hardware decoding, there is a problem with PD13 and the 750Ti.
But the encoding works fine in PD13 with GTX 750 Ti with the latest PD13 build and latest nVidia drivers.

PD13 doesn't like PD10 either.

Dafydd gave me a hotfix from Cyberlink for PD10 for this problem - if you PM him, I'm sure he can pass it on.
I don't know if Cyberlink will release another official patch for PD10 that includes this fix.

if you install back to GTX 560Ti, your rendered H.265 file should play without any hick-ups...

I'm sure that's true, but I don't know if it will using the card for decoding itself.
Officially, that card does not support H.265 decoding . This is supposed to be a new feature of Maxwell.

Or maybe not .

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7764/the-nvidia-geforce-gtx-750-ti-and-gtx-750-review-maxwell/2

Speaking of video, decoding is also receiving a bit of a lift. Maxwell’s VP video decode block won’t feature full H.265 (HEVC) support, but NVIDIA is telling us that they will offer partial hardware acceleration, relying on a mix of software and hardware to decode H.265.

as I am typing this thread, I've gone back to GTX 650 with 337.88 & PD13 2307 but...
here's an another candy for ya.
p.s.
customer service told me to clean out my temp folders so it wont crash??? really???

Submit a crash dump and tell them to review that dump.
That's what I did, and they were able to fix the PD10/PD13 issue for me in a short time. But of course the test case for that was very simple.
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There is CUDA-based decoding in the latest stable version of MPC-HC. I think that comes straight from CUDA Video Decoding API, so it should be available in PD13 too, in all generations of cards that support CUDA.

Quote: There is CUDA-based decoding in the latest stable version of MPC-HC. I think that comes straight from CUDA Video Decoding API, so it should be available in PD13 too, in all generations of cards that support CUDA.

PD13 build 2123 doesn't appear to try to use hardware decoding for H.265 .
Only build 2307 attempts to use it as far as I can tell.

I think I tried PD13 on the older GPUs (8600GT/9800GT), as well but they didn't take advantage of CUDA for decoding H.265 .
I didn't write all these results down so I could be misremembering - I tested too many things with too many GPUs this past weekend.
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After reading this I realized that even though I edit everything in 4K 264 MP4 30P now, I never tried doing it in HEVC.

HEVC 265 works fine on PD13 , not any different than 264, preview PB it is nice and smooth.

However enabling the "Shadow Files" is a must as it is when editing 4K 264 material, if one desires to have a video longer than 15 minutes or so. The longest edit produced here in 4K with PD13 is 90 min. No problems at all.

I used a recent 7 day cruise to convert that video to HEVC 4K in the HI Q mode.

The conversion was started on Friday evening and the computer finished and turned itself off on Tuesday !!

The HEVC looks very good, as good as the 264 original, however no side by side comparison was done. Encoding the 4K 264 to 265 saved about 40% of recording space. In other words not worth the time.

I never use hard ware acceleration. In general the PQ when using the CPU only is best as I learned on this forum some time ago.

So for all practical purposes HEVC is totally useless, it may become relevant to PD users once it is possible to burn HEVC BR disks.

I hope that the 4K BR format forthcoming in late 2015 includes one for 264 based 4K BR DVD's

Playback of all this is with MPC-HC , GOM and POT player, again no HWA used either.

I use PD13 V2123

Eugene

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Quote: Playback of all this is with MPC-HC , GOM and POT player, again no HWA used either.
Eugene

This makes no sense. Whatever...

Quote: After reading this I realized that even though I edit everything in 4K 264 MP4 30P now, I never tried doing it in HEVC.

HEVC 265 works fine on PD13 , not any different than 264, preview PB it is nice and smooth.

Actually, it may work differently - the playback for H264 on your GT640 card is accelerated, while H.265 is unaccelerated because you are using build 2123 of PD13 and not the latest build 2307 .
If you upgrade to build 2307 and the latest nVidia drivers, you may start seeing the issue with HEVC acceleration.

Encoding the 4K 264 to 265 saved about 40% of recording space. In other words not worth the time.

Well, if you are paying for bandwidth and are serving lots of videos, it may be worth the time.
Youtube/Google are going with their own VP8/VP9 though, not H.265 . There is no current hardware encoding support for them in nVidia cards, or any support for VP8/VP9 in PD either.

[b]I never use hard ware acceleration. In general the PQ when using the CPU only is best as I learned on this forum some time ago.

You wouldn't have been able to use hardware acceleration for H.265 with the card/driver/software combo you are using.
I believe only Maxwell 2 can do hardware encoding for H.265 , but it's not clear that the software stack is there yet.

So for all practical purposes HEVC is totally useless, it may become relevant to PD users once it is possible to burn HEVC BR disks.

I hope that the 4K BR format forthcoming in late 2015 includes one for 264 based 4K BR DVD's

Yes, hopefully 4K BR format will include both H.264 and H.265 profiles .
Too bad this is still a year off.
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I do not use HWA for any format, either just playback or rendering for over a year in PD12 and 13.

And since May of this year all editing is done in 4K.
And have no problems, period. Playback of HEVC, using the three players mentioned is flawless.

And I think we all agree that using HEVC at this point for production is useless and a waste of time.

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I use HWA on playback (and many other people too) of h265 and have zero problems.

And production of any format without HW acceleration is a ridiculous waste of time.

SoNice

If you read my post again you will find this sentence:

I never use hard ware acceleration. In general the PQ when using the CPU only is best as I learned on this forum some time ago.

To me picture quality has absolute first priority.

PQ when rendering is best w/o HWA, rendering time of 264 MP4 4K is about 3 times that of the video, about average for my setup w/o SVRT an other NONO.

I learned that after reading posts by a number of people in the know over the past year or more.

And on PB HEVC stutters when using HWA and it's use makes no difference in any other format on my setup so its is off.





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thanks, Eugene, SoNice, Julien for your input.
I am throwing in the white towel because I can't stand anymore PD13 crashing.
I had it for 11 days and PD13 quit 10x!
here is the quote from support...

'Regarding your concern, I would like to inform you that we are not able to identify the root cause from the crash report...'

so sayonara.
c u PD14. 'no bridge too far'

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Sorry PepsiMan. I didn't use it enough to comment, but it never crash on me during rendering.
But... I am using Quadro video cards and Quadro drivers - it might make a difference.

People might wish to try an SK player, http://potplayer.daum.net/#none, for HEVC h.265 files. Don't know whether it plays h.265 files produced with PD13, but on my (not very new) laptop Potplayer handles h.265 4k files from a Samsung NX1 without a hitch. PowerDirector 12 (pondering 16)
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Quote: People might wish to try an SK player, http://potplayer.daum.net/#none, for HEVC h.265 files. Don't know whether it plays h.265 files produced with PD13, but on my (not very new) laptop Potplayer handles h.265 4k files from a Samsung NX1 without a hitch.

I've downloaded the Samsung NX1 video that you've suggested.
MPC-HC x64b1.7.6.217(5b18cc4) player, ffdshow x64v1.3.4533 codec with MSI GTX 750Ti OC / nVidia 344.75 driver played
sooooo smooooothly...
I wished it was from Panasonic DMC-GH4. FZ1000 doesn't need to apply.
NX1's H.265 QHD video is way sharper than Sony AX100, AX1 & PXW-Z100(records UHD 60HZ @600Mb/sec intra frame) and that's at QHD 30P 85Mb/sec bitrate!
however, it's Samsung so the video is little bit on the high contrast side...

for rendering the HEVC file, I'm going to reinstall PD13 and will report back to ya! 'no bridge too far'

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rendering 30sec NX1's H.265 HEVC .mp4 @ 30p 85Mb/sec file took 12 minutes with PD13 b2307
at default setting H.265 HEVC 30p 37Mb/sec bitrate.
final video at that setting video sharpness degraded and noticeable!
if one wants to keep the original video quality then adjust the bitrate to 50Mb/sec or higher...
Eugen157 said forget about saving HD space it takes forever to render in H.265...

MPC-HC player's video decorder is set at DXVA2(native). it played flawlessly.

Samsung did an excellent job on the NX1. Panasonic where's your DMC-GH5?

by the way, Julien.
PD13's preview window played rendered H.265 HEVC .mp4 choppy and jumpy; however, there wasn't
any artifacts, just pause, choppy, and bumpy. like you, hardware decoding off at the preference did
improve smoother play...

yes, Tasmanian.
PD13 renders and produces 1080 60P @28Mb/sec Blu-ray playable in selected Blu-ray players!
MPC-HC plays it excellent in my experience...

thanks guys!
thanks for the ride. 'no bridge too far'

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