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tatu54 [Avatar]
Newbie Joined: Sep 15, 2007 09:01 Messages: 28 Offline
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Hey all,

I shot a video today of a Baptism. There were several requests for a DVD of this. OK, no problem. I have PD 6.

One thing I did not check, because I found out about this the night before, was the sound quality. My camera did a fair job of picking up the sound from the built in mic, but that was it, just fair.

So, lets do Closed Captioning!

uh oh...

I did a Help search and came up with a dreaded "No Topics Found" dialog.

OK, minor problem.

Lets try to use the "Subtitles" feature.

It may be my ignorance, but I could not get this feature to work.

I was given a copy (actually, it was sent it via e-mail) of the testimony. It was in .RTF format so I had to convert it to a .TXT format. I did as told, brought it into PD 6 and saved (converted?) it to .SRT.

The ONLY thing on the video is "Double Click To Edit." The same as in the Subtitles box.

I was hoping to scroll the text of the Baptism, in sync, with the video of the same.

Are the subtitles constrained to just a few characters?

Are you following what I am trying to say/do?

What can we do here?

Thanks,

Dale I never said I was smart, just pretty to look at...

See "Bio" for computer stats.
Kintara [Avatar]
Newbie Location: Bristol, England, UK Joined: Aug 29, 2007 15:43 Messages: 38 Offline
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Hi Tatu54,
Just to clarify:
You can do subtitles the long winded way, set the insert point on the timeline, go to subtitle studio, click +, double click the newly created text space in the subtitle window and type your text.) And they work I assume.
You have been sent a txt (or rts) file that you want to import into the subtitle track.
Trouble is it is not getting imported and so is not being shown in the subtitle window along with the time for in and cut.
Is that correct?
PD can be a bit funny with subs imports (and exports for that matter unless they are in the exact format that PD requires.
I'll look at some that I have used in the past and re-post with the format of the text file
e.g. something line this (from memory)
"1
00:00:01.02 > 00:00:05.00 <CR>
This is your text<CR>
More of your text<CR>
<CR> i.e. a blank line
2
00:00:12.00 > 00:00:18.03<CR>
Second caption<CR>
<CR>"

etc, etc,

Kintara

Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so.
Kintara [Avatar]
Newbie Location: Bristol, England, UK Joined: Aug 29, 2007 15:43 Messages: 38 Offline
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OK,
I have had a look at a .srt file I have used in the past, and it is just a text file in the following format:

Line 1 - Subtitle Number e.g. "1" followed by <carriage return>
Line 2 - Timecode e.g. "00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:17,600" followed by <carriage return>
Line 3 - Subtitle content - e.g. "Your text" followed by <carriage return>
Line 4 - Subtitle content - e.g. "More text" followed by <carriage return>
Line 5 - Blank Line i.e <carriage return>
Line 6 - Subtitle Number e.g. "2" followed by <carriage return>
etc, etc.

example
"1
00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:17,600
Happy Birthday

2
00:00:17,800 --> 00:00:19,120
to you,

3
00:00:19,680 --> 00:00:21,440
Happy Birthday

4
00:00:21,640 --> 00:00:23,180
to you!

"
Dont forget the blank line, and use Notepad to edit and save as a .srt file (or change the .txt to .srt when you are done).

I have cut and pasted the above example into Notepad and it's fine. Don't use MSWord etc for the final save as it adds a lot of unseen stuff to the file if you are not careful. Stick to Notepad.

Best of luck

Kintara

 Filename
test.srt
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 Description
An example of of a subtitle track.
 Filesize
194 bytes
 Downloaded:
23 time(s)

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Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so.
tatu54 [Avatar]
Newbie Joined: Sep 15, 2007 09:01 Messages: 28 Offline
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Kintara,

It is obvious that you have put a bit of work/research into my request.

Here's the kicker; the text of the testiomony I am wanting to insert works out to be a little over thirteen minutes...

ow...

That is going to be a lot of stuff to go through for this text. Yeah, I am lazy.

I plugged this into my WordPerfect and came up with this:

Characters: 9700
Words: 2416
Sentences: 209
Lines: 348

And it goes on and on. As I have trained both index fingers to type, I haven't trained them to know where all the keys are on the keyboard. This will be a hunt and peck nightmare.

I guess I need to get started then, huh? hehehe

OK, I will start and see what I can come up with. I was looking for an easy copy&paste scenario, but life is never easy.

But!, If someone comes up with another solution, please, send away. We all could use more knowledge.

Thanks, Kintara.

Dale I never said I was smart, just pretty to look at...

See "Bio" for computer stats.
Kintara [Avatar]
Newbie Location: Bristol, England, UK Joined: Aug 29, 2007 15:43 Messages: 38 Offline
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Hi Dale,
OK, here’s the easiest way I can see for you to get your subs in place.
It's a bit long winded and sorry if it seems complicated. As usual with these things, its easier to do than to explain, or read about it.
Here goes...

1) Open your transcript in MSWord and break the caption into lines of about 40 characters each including spaces. Best way to do this is to highlight the whole of your text then set your left and right indents to give you 40 characters per line. Check with Tools. Word count. This will be about right to fill the screen from left to right depending on your PD subtitle font size. Then go down the entire text and place a paragraph marker (enter key) at the end of each line. (Turn on “Show /Hide” non-printable characters, that funny looking backward “P”) Best way to do this is to place cursor to the Left of the first character on the first line and alternate between <ENTER > and the <CURSOR DOWN > keys. PD allows more than one line per caption up to a maximum of 255 characters.

2) Save the Word file with a new name (just so you won’t have to do it all again!)

3) In PD, go to Edit, Preferences, Editing, change the Subtitles default to a more manageable 2 seconds or so. The exact duration and position of each caption can be adjusted later, but they cannot overlap.

4) In PD open the Subtitles room.

5) Position the Timeline cursor to where you want the caption to appear.

6) In Word, highlight the text for your caption and copy it to the clipboard. <CTRL>+C

7) In PD, Click “+” A new line will be added to the subtitle room window, complete with time code.

8) Double click on the “Double click to edit” in the subtitle room window (not the preview screen), then paste, <CTRL>+V, the caption copied in step 6. Click outside the text box and your text will appear on the preview screen.

9) On the timeline adjust the start, duration, end of the caption if necessary.

10) Repeat from step 5

11) Save often!

Best of luck

Kintara
 Filename
doing subs.doc
[Disk]
 Description
Same text as my main message, but formatted in Word
 Filesize
24 Kbytes
 Downloaded:
22 time(s)

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Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so.
Kintara [Avatar]
Newbie Location: Bristol, England, UK Joined: Aug 29, 2007 15:43 Messages: 38 Offline
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It would not let me add this, so I have had to add another reply.
Here is an example of a subtitle, about 40 chracters wide, containing several lines, and 255 characters in total.
Kintara
btw, It would be nice to have the ability to turn these on and off during playback. That is the difference iI guess, between closed caption and subtitles (embedded on to video). Again see Wikipedia - Closed Captions for more details.
Kintara Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so.
tatu54 [Avatar]
Newbie Joined: Sep 15, 2007 09:01 Messages: 28 Offline
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Kintara,

Once again, thanks.

I am working on this now. But it's starting to get a bit late so it may have to be continued tomorrow. Regardless, this may be a several day adventure anyway. Lots of text, lots of copy and pasting. Just plain lots.

I may go ahead and make a couple of DVD's for the requests. That will give me some time to work on this and when I get it done up right I can make some "real" ones.

Is it me or is this just plain wrong? Gotta be some way that's easier.

I do appreciate all the time you spent on my project. Maybe, just maybe, I can repay in some way, some day.

Yeah, differences all the way around the world. Our "Closed Captioning" is used for the hard of hearing. Or just plain deaf people.

Subtitles are a different animal all the way around. Easiest way to explain it is that the TV channels put their logo (a washed out kind of logo) in the bottom right corner, mostly.

I know! It just struck me. I am not sure how they do it in England, but here in the states, take Fox News as an example, or even CNN if you have to, while the regular news is going on, down at the bottom of the screen is a "Right to Left" scroller that outlines other news items.

That is what I was trying to do in essence.

That took how long for me to get that out? yeah, right... Look at my signature. Says it all.

Again, thanks,

Dale I never said I was smart, just pretty to look at...

See "Bio" for computer stats.
Dafydd B [Avatar]
Senior Contributor Joined: Aug 26, 2006 08:20 Messages: 11973 Offline
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Dale,

Use a Title instead ...it would be a lot easier for you to manage...and the Right to left scrolling would be a do-able for you.....just remember the length of the Title in the time-line dictates the speed of the displayed text scrolled across the screen.

Image shows you what to do.

Zip file contains a directory folder named "Dale_Title" please place the directory folder into My Documents/CyberLink/PowerDirector/6.0/My Titles

It is a 16:9 Aspect Ratio Title file - if you operate at 4:3 still I can make you one for that as well.

Open PD
Check Edit/Aspect ratio and select 16:9
Put the Aquarium.mpg into the Time-Line
Go to Titles and locate "Dale" in the Library
Click and drag to the time-line
Double Click to open Title designer...... Ok.

Dafydd
 Filename
screencap140.gif
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 Description
image to show how to scroll text
 Filesize
58 Kbytes
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23 time(s)
 Filename
Dale_Title.zip
[Disk]
 Description
Install the contents to: C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\My Documents\CyberLink\PowerDirector\6.0\MyTitles I tried to give you a auto install file instead - I could make that available to you instead.
 Filesize
4 Kbytes
 Downloaded:
16 time(s)

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Dafydd B [Avatar]
Senior Contributor Joined: Aug 26, 2006 08:20 Messages: 11973 Offline
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16:9 auto install Title.

Double click on the contents of the zip. A "Dale" Title will be added to a 16:9 display (Aspect ratio) Title selection.

Dafydd
 Filename
Dale_TitleWITH.zip
[Disk]
 Description
Inside is the auto-install
 Filesize
26 Kbytes
 Downloaded:
19 time(s)

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tatu54 [Avatar]
Newbie Joined: Sep 15, 2007 09:01 Messages: 28 Offline
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Hey all.

Thanks for the time y'all have taken on my problem. Right now, I am not feeling as well as I could be so I will wait a while before I try both options.

I'll get back to you as soon as I have some more idea of what is going to work and how it will work.

Thanks,

Dale

Edited to fix some spelling problems...

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I never said I was smart, just pretty to look at...

See "Bio" for computer stats.
tatu54 [Avatar]
Newbie Joined: Sep 15, 2007 09:01 Messages: 28 Offline
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Hello, Dafydd.

OK, either I am as dense as dirt (which I am sure that is the case) or something is wrong. And seeing that it is the weekend, I will have plenty of time to check this out.

I have DL'd the file ( both of them) and followed your instructions. Something is not working. The .exe file is either not working or I am lost as to where it goes.

If you get a chance this weekend I'd appreciate some more clarification. And if I do figure this out, I'll repost.

And what program is this you are using to make these files, if I can ask?

Dale I never said I was smart, just pretty to look at...

See "Bio" for computer stats.
tatu54 [Avatar]
Newbie Joined: Sep 15, 2007 09:01 Messages: 28 Offline
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Ok, here it is...

Vista is a bit different when you go to look for file locations, but I persevered and found what I was looking for. Or so I thought.

When that didn't work, I just did a search for Cyberlink. That resulted in Hundreds of files. Yeah...

So, to narrow that down I went and looked for anything that narrowed it down to 6.0...

That was easier. Then on to "Titles." I did find something called "BK Titles" (a couple of instances) so I figured I was on the right track. But, no matter where I placed these files (I used the first two and then tried the second one you sent) I could not get the "DaleTitle" to come up in the Titles area.

Pulling my hair out.

And of course, resuming my normal self and saying lots of bad words...

Dale I never said I was smart, just pretty to look at...

See "Bio" for computer stats.
Dafydd B [Avatar]
Senior Contributor Joined: Aug 26, 2006 08:20 Messages: 11973 Offline
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So sorry Dale, the files I've provided were rushed and not checked. I can see the problem with them and have corrected the situation.

I'm running XP still...not for me the hassle of vista thanks.

You will only see the Title if you're in the 16:9 preference - Aspect Ratio.

Install when PD6 is not open.

Dafydd

 Filename
Dale-Title-DB.zip
[Disk]
 Description
This contains the folder - to install manually the folder into My Documents/CyberLink/PowerDirector/6.0/My Titles
 Filesize
4 Kbytes
 Downloaded:
12 time(s)
 Filename
dale-title-dbWITH.zip
[Disk]
 Description
This zip contains the auto installation exe to "My Documents/CyberLink...."
 Filesize
26 Kbytes
 Downloaded:
11 time(s)

This message was edited 2 times. Last update was at Sep 29. 2007 07:39

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