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Tiberius Nero [Avatar]
Newbie Joined: Nov 10, 2013 23:11 Messages: 12 Offline
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That was what I was worried about ... that the last action wasn't the cause of the save working but just a random event.

My wife took the burned DVD to my daughter's house and it totally crashed her DVD player too. Her power cords are all hidden in the back of the media center so she was NOT happy about having to pull out equipment, trace the wire and unplug to get the DVD to work again.

DVD works great on the PC player but totally incapacitates a stand-alone player!!! I'm amazed that a 'bad menu' can crash DVD players that hard!
ynotfish
Senior Contributor Location: N.S.W. Australia Joined: May 08, 2009 02:06 Messages: 9977 Online
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Quote: I don't know why CL can't just give the user the option to remove thumbnails.


John - many people have been requesting this for a long, long time!

Quote: I'm amazed that a 'bad menu' can crash DVD players that hard!


Agreed - it's a very perplexing problem. As I reported above, the KISS 14 menu worked on 3 DVD players and a BR player here, with no problems.

They're the worst kind of glitches to try to resolve - where we get inconsistent results.

I'm reliably informed that the R&D team at CL is investigating the problem using the custom menus listed in this thread. Hopefully, we'll be able to stop guessing soon.

Cheers - Tony

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John 1274 [Avatar]
Member Joined: Nov 29, 2008 11:04 Messages: 84 Offline
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Here we go again! Now I've run into the next problem. Can't open the "Produce" page when I'm using the "K.I.S.S. 14" menu, even after I've modified it.
I'm gonna start a new thread on this, as this is a different issue now.
I'm gonna call the thread "PC crash with K.I.S.S. 14 .dzm template"

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ynotfish
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John -

Though I completely understand your frustration - and I'm a bit Grrr myself trying to isolate a possible cause - I cannot (again) replicate a crash just by going to Produce after modifying and/or applying a KISS 14 menu.

Cheers - Tony
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Tiberius Nero [Avatar]
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Guys,

Some good new information. I took the DVD that crashes the players and ran it through a utility called VobBlanker (circa 2005).

It reported the following:
VTS_01 ... menu does not exist
(then somehow recovered and found the menu)
then
VTS 01 VTSM_C_ADT did not exist
VTS 01 VTSM_VOBU_ADMAP did not exist

Then you click on "Process", it rebuilds tables, wrote out a new set of files and my DVD works !!!

I don't know what those messages mean, but hopefully someone familiar with DVD PGC chains and codes does and can fix the problem.

Meanwhile, I think I have a work around.
ynotfish
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That's interesting & equally confusing.

VobBlanker didn't recognise the menu - then it did.

Guys - even though I've used those menus on many hundreds of discs, distributed far and wide with no complaint, & even though these recent reports are the first I've heard that the "KISS" menus have (apparently) caused various issues, and even though I can't get any of the menus to even look like they're going to fail in the ways described above... I've deleted them all from DirectorZone. My intention was only to share menus - not grief!

Hopefully, we might receive some clarification on the issues soon.

Cheers - Tony
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Tiberius Nero [Avatar]
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Tony,

I wouldn't delete them from DZ. If they are working for you and other users then I would still assume there is something unique about John and my setup. Without those menus, users don't have any option.

Also I checked some of the 'stock' menus and they are crashing the DVD player too. And all work fine on a PC.

And yes ... the VobBlanker message sequence doesn't make sense to me either ... but the summary at the beginning reports those things are missing and in the end says it's rebuilding them ... then things work.

I really like Power Director editing, but I am beginning to regret switching over from Pinnacle (it was time to add Blu-ray so I thought I would evaluate new software).

Oh ... and I never told you ... but having someone who the menu DOES work for, and getting that feedback, does help. It gives me incentive to keep searching for what is different. If no one gets it to work I would assume we're dead in the water with no options.

Cheers to you too my friend
Mike
ynotfish
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Thanks Mike -

Once we collectively determine a solution, I'll be happy to repost.

Clearly, there's a need for menus without thumbnails. CL is aware of that!

Thank you for the extra information. It all helps.

Cheers - Tony

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Tiberius Nero [Avatar]
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Checked log again, if I read more I think it is say there is no VOB menu and the IFO menu is missing things.
Eugen157
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Hi all.

I tried "Menu avec boutons textes seuls" menu w/o thumbnails, looks good with different background. However I need more than 4 chapters, so how do I add them w/o the thumbnails or how do I keep the chapter names and get rid of the thumbnails?

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Tiberius Nero [Avatar]
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For the record, added an additional 45 second clip to a 58 minute working video of vacation pictures, re-authored and VobBlanker did not fix it. And frankly I am getting tired of trying to debug what is critical factors to keep PowerDirector videos functional.

Still waiting for resolution of all the code dump and system information filed with system support under bug CS001309071. They have only had the files for a week so it's fairly early.

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JL_JL [Avatar]
Senior Contributor Location: Arizona, USA Joined: Oct 01, 2006 20:01 Messages: 6091 Offline
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Quote: I'm reliably informed that the R&D team at CL is investigating the problem using the custom menus listed in this thread. Hopefully, we'll be able to stop guessing soon.

Cheers - Tony

And..... what feedback did the reliable informant provide?

Jeff
ynotfish
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Hi Jeff -

There's been no feedback on this issue. My understanding is that it's still in the pipeline.

Cheers - Tony
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John 1274 [Avatar]
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Hey guys! It would be a whole lot easier if PD would just come up with a simple menu with no thumbnails but here is my workaround that works for me.
In “Create Disc” I’ve selected “Create Menu” to create a new menu. I designed my “Root Menu” and “Titles/Chapters Menu” pages to the layout that I wanted. However, on the “Titles/Chapters Menu” page, I shrunk the thumbnail down to the size of my text and moved the thumbnail to the left of my text. I used the grid lines as reference points to get all the thumbnails the same size. I don’t know if there is a way to resize them all at the same time, but if so, I don’t know how. I can be dumber than a box of rocks at some of this stuff! Lol!

((((I am creating a Blu-ray disc with a bluegrass band that I play banjo with. I want to see the names of the songs but the motion thumbnails all look the same. So here is what I continued to do with the thumbnails.))))

After resizing the thumbnails and moving them to the left of the track title (and by the way, I put 7 track titles on each page) I then clicked on “Set Button Properties” tab. Now this is what I used for my own menu. You can use whatever you like! Under the “Button Highlight Style” I selected the green highlight frame and under the “Button Frame and Mask” tab, I selected the thin white rectangle. I then saved my menu.

Now while back on the main “Create Disc” module I selected “Playback Mode” at the bottom right of the screen and set the “Auto Menu Timeout” to 20 seconds.

Now I went back to the “Edit” tab, where you edit the video. There I selected the “Media Content” tab and “Color Boards”. I added a, 22 second in length, black color board at the very end of my video, with no sound or video!

Next I went to the “Chapter Room” and selected the chapters one at a time and moved my position marker to the very beginning of my 22 second black color board and clicked the button “set the current frame as the chapter thumbnail”. I set all my chapters to the same location that way my 20 second motion thumbnail will only show black.

Now here was my final step and don’t ask how I figured this out, cause I’m not that smart! Again LOL!

I saved my entire project and closed PD12. Now I opened Paint and selected “Open”. In the popup window I went to: \C:\Users\????\Documents\Cyberlink\Custom Menus\3.0\Menu_??? (go by date and time-the menu you just saved)\highlight\

The first one I chose was “HL06" and opened it in “Paint”.
In “Tools” is selected “Fill with color” and made the entire frame green.
Then I saved it and clicked open and opened “HL06_16v9" in the “highlight” folder.
I did the same in paint with it as the other and filled the entire center of the frame with the same color of green.
Saved it and closed “Paint”.
Went back and opened PD12 and went to “Create Disc” \ “Menu Preferences” clicked on my menu and “Apply to All Pages”.

Double check the “Playback mode:” and make sure the “Auto Menu Timeout” is still at 20 seconds, so it don’t run past the 22 second black color board.
Last I saved my entire project and checked it in “Preview” to make sure all was right.
My motion thumbnails now are black (with no preview or motion) with a thin white frame around them. The highlighted thumbnail shows solid green.

Again, this is just what I used. You can make a lot of other changes to your own preferences, as colors, styles, etc. When my Blu-ray now comes to the end, it plays the 22 seconds of black color board but that's no big deal. Usually you're ready to hit the stop/eject button anyway. It's just 22 seconds of nothing!

Sorry about the deep detailed explanation. I know I get carried away when explaining something but I hope I can help someone out, when it seems like a few of us are having the same problem of creating a menu without the motion thumbnails.

God bless and have a great day.

John Windows 7 64-bit 8 GB RAM, x64
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John 1274 [Avatar]
Member Joined: Nov 29, 2008 11:04 Messages: 84 Offline
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Please let me know if this works for anyone!

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Windows 7 64-bit 8 GB RAM, x64
AMD Phenom, IIx4 925 Processor
2800 Mhz, 4 Core, 4 Logical Processors
Physical Memory (RAM) 8.00 GB
Total Phys. Memory 7.99 GB
Available Phys. Memory 5.70 GB
Total Virtual Memory 16.0 GB
Available Virtual Memory 12.3 GB
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