No not with PD by itself. I don't know how close in size you are, H264 setting will give a somewhat smaller file size compared to MPEG.

Jeff

Quote: No not with PD by itself. I don't know how close in size you are, H264 setting will give a somewhat smaller file size compared to MPEG.

Jeff

Thanks Jeff.
I'm just beyond, being the size 53000Mb.
Weird it is that given the fact that I I set up 720p as resolution the Bitrate is exactly the same as for 1080p ! Dan

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Weird it is that given the fact that I I set up 720p as resolution the Bitrate is exactly the same as for 1080p !

Not really when you consider 1080p is 24fps and 720p is over double at 60fps. Panasonic SD9, Panasonic TM700, Panasonic SD600, GoPro HD Hero.

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Not really when you consider 1080p is 24fps and 720p is over double at 60fps.

Thanks for chiming in pjc3.
Sorry to have not clarified it.
On my standalone BD player/Tv set combo I'm able to reproduce (among others) either 1024p@23.976fps and 720p@23.976fps and either NTSC and PAL. Cluelessly.

as a matter of facts the master project of mine has been rendered at 1024p/23.976fps (3 distinct Bluray discs). Bitrate is 33mbps
But not all my customer's standalone players in various offices are able to play further than 720p/23.976fps.
Thus 60fps is a nonsense in such a scenario.
What I've to deliver is thus a 720p/23.976fps Bluray. And thus roughly 15.5mbps would roughly equal the master's quality. Oddly enough, the resulting size would just pass the BD50 capacity. Thus a second one would be needed for just a few GB which is clearly a waste.
There is a nice tool called MultiAVCHD capable of doing so. But it is not as optimized as PowerDirector.
On the other hand PowerDirector is pretty much limited, because by just lowering bitrate to circa 13mbps would not bring about a dramatic quality loss, but would just make the whole stuff fit on one BD50. But this is not feasible via PD10.

That's the whole story.

Is there a workaround?

Thanks in advance Dan

You have a little control, it's a PD SVRT trick or feature. For instance, say the source video is 1920x1080 24Mbps and you simply create a Blu-ray H.264, you will end up with ~22.5Mbps video stream on the disc. However, if you first "Produce" your video and use a custom profile and reduce the video bitrate just a little, usually no more than ~20%, and then use this produced video in the timeline to actually "Create Disc". This slight bitrate modification fits within the SVRT allowable window and the video will go straight to disc, no encoding, just a pass through copy. You can reduce the file size ~20% by this method, any more than that and you will are typically outside the SVRT window and the stream would be encoded again to 24Mbps Blu-ray H.264 profile I slected in the "Create Disc" module in this case.

1) So for my example, produce the video in its entirety with a H.264 AVC custom profile with a user specified avg bitrate set to .8*22500=18000.
2) bring this produced video into a new project timeline
3) In Create Disc, use Blu-Ray, H.264, 1920x1080 24Mbps profile, behind the scene PD will use SVRT and your final project will be about 18/22.5=.80 of it's size if you had not done step 1 and simply left the 24Mbps footage in the timeline for PD to create the Blu-ray.

Give it a try, maybe with your footage you can get it slimmed down enought to fit. If not, my only suggestion is a third party utility which will essentially do the same, reduce the bitrate a little to fit.

Jeff

JL, thanks. This could be a viable solution.
Yet, source is at 33Mbps (average). Following your reasoning would lead to an average bitrate of 26.4Mbps thus no fit.
PD11 encodes 720P at 15.5Mbps average, as stock.
Wouldn't it be by chance that I should use a custom profile encoding @ roughly 12.4Mbps?

I.e.: Shouldn't I make SVRT Bps*0,.8 instead of Master bps*0.8 ?

EDIT:
Nothing to do
PD10 is pretty much limited to this extent!

Thanks again Dan

I guess I must be missing something. Maybe if you give exact steps I could follow. Below is what I did.

1) drop 1920x1080 24Mpbs video in the TL and "Create Disc" with Blu-ray, HD 1280x720, H.264 format. Resulting video stream bitrate 10.4Mbps, 23.976fps, for my sample 11m 30s clip, 899MB. This serves as my baseline which in your case is too big and the desire to shrink it some, desire something smaller than 899MB. Create Disc time, 5m 30s as encoding is required.

1) drop 1920x1080 24Mpbs video in the TL and "Produce" with manual creation of a custom profile, main, 1280x720, 23.976fps, 8000Kbps bitrate (10.4*.8=8.3)
2) Use this video in TL and "Create Disc" with Blu-ray, HD 1280x720, H.264 format. Resulting video stream bitrate 8019Kbps, 23.976fps, for my sample clip, now 711MB. Create Disc time, 10s as SVRT is used.

This gives me the abiltiy to shrink the file size on the Blu-ray by 899/711=1.26, 26%. Yes it does have lower bitrate but something has to give to make the video stream smaller as you are requesting to fit on a 50GB disc.

Jeff

Quote: I guess I must be missing something. Maybe if you give exact steps I could follow. Below is what I did.

1) drop 1920x1080 24Mpbs video in the TL and "Create Disc" with Blu-ray, HD 1280x720, H.264 format. Resulting video stream bitrate 10.4Mbps, 23.976fps, for my sample 11m 30s clip, 899MB. This serves as my baseline which in your case is too big and the desire to shrink it some, desire something smaller than 899MB. Create Disc time, 5m 30s as encoding is required.

1) drop 1920x1080 24Mpbs video in the TL and "Produce" with manual creation of a custom profile, main, 1280x720, 23.976fps, 8000Kbps bitrate (10.4*.8=8.3)
2) Use this video in TL and "Create Disc" with Blu-ray, HD 1280x720, H.264 format. Resulting video stream bitrate 8019Kbps, 23.976fps, for my sample clip, now 711MB. Create Disc time, 10s as SVRT is used.

This gives me the abiltiy to shrink the file size on the Blu-ray by 899/711=1.26, 26%. Yes it does have lower bitrate but something has to give to make the video stream smaller as you are requesting to fit on a 50GB disc.

Jeff

Jeff, I'm lost at this point. I'll try to explain at my best.
Here it is what I did.
1)I drop the original video on the timeline. It is a 1080p at 33Mbps and 23.976fps.
2)Produce with a custom profile, main, 1280x720 @23.976 . 13Mbps. Result: 12.2GB
3)Make a new project. Drop the custom created file under point 2)
4)Create Disc, bluray 50, 1280*720P, DTS. Now the weird thing: destination filesize shown as 16946MB.
This is clearly a limit of PD10 that even taking a 720p 13000kbps created .m2ts file forces it into a 15500kbps one (even if resolution is not changed. And please note that 13000/15500=0.838 .

I must say I'm fed up Jeff. All of these limits make PD10 a no go for me.
A user must be definitely given the choice of creating custom profiles even under Create Disc->BD25/50.
Why developers implemented AutoFit under DVD and NOT under BD stands as a fatal lack.

Thanks for your efforts, BTW Dan

I think it has more to do with the Blu-ray video disk standards than anything else.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu-ray_Disc

Scroll down to Media format, below Software standards.
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If you want, attach a short clip, 5-10s, of original footage, maybe a workaround can be found.

Jeff

Quote: I think it has more to do with the Blu-ray video disk standards than anything else.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu-ray_Disc

Scroll down to Media format, below Software standards.

I do know these data.
My point is: if master comes at 1080p/23.976fps 33Mbps (average bitrate) what should it be the bitrate required changing only the resolution to 720p?
If I'm not wrong (1920*1080)/(1280*720)=2.25
Let's make 33Mbps/2.25=14.6Mbps (average bitrate)
One step further: the average unchangeable bitrate for BD that PD10 uses is 15.5 and final size is 53GB, what would it be the size at 14.6Mbps?
53GB*(14.6/15.5)=48.98GB (which fits in a 50GB BD)

Mathematics. Period.

@Jeff
I thank you for cooperation but this is quite a hassle of a roadmap.

I guess I'll go with the software mentioned above and in the future with Adobe Premiere Pro.

Best to all. Dan

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That's the whole story.

Is there a workaround?

Thanks in advance

Firstly, I am surprised your customer's Blu-ray players cannot play resolution above 720p24. They don't then meet the standards ......but that is irrelevant atm.

All the long time users of PD know that it is a great video Editor but a flakey authoring programme and a particularly unreliable burning programme.

I believe your best solution would be to edit on PD and produce a file to your specifications, create the disc structure with MultiAVCHD then burn with ImgBurn.

Best of luck
Panasonic SD9, Panasonic TM700, Panasonic SD600, GoPro HD Hero.

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Firstly, I am surprised your customer's Blu-ray players cannot play resolution above 720p24. They don't then meet the standards ......but that is irrelevant atm.

All the long time users of PD know that it is a great video Editor but a flakey authoring programme and a particularly unreliable burning programme.

I believe your best solution would be to edit on PD and produce a file to your specifications, create the disc structure with MultiAVCHD then burn with ImgBurn.

Best of luck

Not the players themselves, but the TV sets. They're early HD releases, so just 1080i and 720p.

And....yes. Your workflow goes great!
Just a nuance though: should I wish to keep the original audio, how would you recommend me to behave? Just asking.

Thanks Dan

dabertibis, not sure why it didn't work for you. I've fussed around with the module way too much and can typically make it do what I want, although many paths not straight forward. It could be soooo much easier not only with authoring but also "Producing", hacking all the ini profiles is just a poor approach.

Quote: Why developers implemented AutoFit under DVD and NOT under BD stands as a fatal lack.

A comment of mine from 2009 PD8 time frame.

Quote: Yes compression is available for BD folders, just not in PD8, maybe in the future though if they think it's important enough to put on the PD development roadmap.

http://forum.cyberlink.com/forum/posts/list/15/8376.page;jsessionid=68371DC9DC1CD11379704547ABF37D69

If you find the time, I'd like to try a clip of yours and see what might work, if not I can relate to move on!

Jeff

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Just a nuance though: should I wish to keep the original audio, how would you recommend me to behave? Just asking.

Thanks

I would use tsMuxeR to demux the streams. Keep the original audio and re-encode the video stream to 720p24 using PD. Then mux the resultant PD output with the original audio using tsMuxeR and choose Bluray. This will encode a Bluray compliant folder structure you can then burn to disc using IMGBurn. No menus of course. tsMuxeR won't recognize the ac3 stream from PD anyway as pd stuffs up the header info for the file. You mention the original videos are over 3 discs but tsMuxeR can join as well. This assumes, of course, you do not edit the video length in PD or there will be sync problems.

Regards Panasonic SD9, Panasonic TM700, Panasonic SD600, GoPro HD Hero.

Jeff, I cannot post a single frame of the project as it involves an industrial production workflow cover by many Patents.

So I'll go with MultiAVCHD.

Bottom line: I'd happily mess with PD10's INI files (or register keys) containing encoding profiles if I could only know where they are in the filesystem/registry.

Last but not least: I would like to know why the heck in making a BD I have to choose among Dolby and DTS being always forced to re-encode original audio. Should I wish (not the case of this project) to keep a DTS-MA track or similar?

Thanks Dan