Hi Yolanda8701 -

After half a dozen tests, repliacting your steps, I can't replicate the shifting background issue. I formatted the titles/backrounds differently for each test.

Obviously it shouldn't be happening, but could you post a screenshot of your background settings in Title Designer? &/or any other informatin that may e relevant.

Cheers - Tony
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Hi, thanks for looking into this.
Attached is how it looks in the program and then after the video is created.

Strange because it worked just fine for a really long while.

Thanks very much for the attached screen shots. Like Tony, I'm not able to replicate the issue when producing to MPEG-2, but I also can't select the Fast video producing option (it's disabled on my machine for that profile).

What happens if you uncheck that box and produce?

If the problem is still there, can you try changing these two settings on the Preferences menu? You may need to try all 4 combinations:



If the problem is still there, click on the Profile Analyzer button on the Produce screen and choose the recommended setting. That should give you the best quality output. It's also likely to be H.264, which should avoid the MPEG-2 offsetting issue.

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Thank you for the screenshots. The issue of Yolanda’s backdrop has been duplicated here on my first try. Here is what is done based on the screenshots:

1. Open PD17. Change the aspect ratio from 16:9 to 4:3. Place the sample video on the timeline. Place the Default title on track 2 below the video. Type and resize the text. Place it on the bottom. Enable Backdrop. Check Fit with title.


2. Do Produce Range/Mpeg-2/DVD HQ 720 x 480/60i (8 Mbps). The backdrop is above the text. See the screenshots.


3. Produce to H.264/Mpeg-4 640 x 480/30p and there is no problem.


4. Change project aspect ratio from 4:3 to 16:9. Produce to DVD HQ 720 x 480/60i. The backdrop is at the right place.

There may be a bug when a condition such as having a 4:3 aspect ratio project, placing a 16:9 video clip on the timeline, using a title and manually move it to the bottom, adding the backdrop, and producing it to mpeg-2. There is no problem if produced to mpeg-4 and is okay if the project is then changed to 16:9.

EDIT: optodata answered first. I beleive that if the project is 16:9 aspect ratio with 16:9 videos, 16:9 titles then there would be no problems. It is the two screenshots that gave it away that this project aspect ratio is 4:3. Thank you again. This may be a bug that needs to be reported to Cyberlink support.

Redid the project in 16:9 and the short background bar seen in Fit to title is too short on the right side. Produced to mpeg-2 or mp4 and result is the same. Changed the Background setting to Solid background bar and it is still too short when produced to mpeg-2, mp4, and wmv. Maybe this is a different issue that needs to be reported if someone else here can duplicate it. See the attached.

Quote Thank you for the screenshots. The issue of Yolanda’s backdrop has been duplicated here on my first try. Here is what is done based on the screenshots:

1. Open PD17. Change the aspect ratio from 16:9 to 4:3. Place the sample video on the timeline. Place the Default title on track 2 below the video. Type and resize the text. Place it on the bottom. Enable Backdrop. Check Fit with title.


2. Do Produce Range/Mpeg-2/DVD HQ 720 x 480/60i (8 Mbps). The backdrop is above the text. See the screenshots.


3. Produce to H.264/Mpeg-4 640 x 480/30p and there is no problem.


4. Change project aspect ratio from 4:3 to 16:9. Produce to DVD HQ 720 x 480/60i. The backdrop is at the right place.

There may be a bug when a condition such as having a 4:3 aspect ratio project, placing a 16:9 video clip on the timeline, using a title and manually move it to the bottom, adding the backdrop, and producing it to mpeg-2. There is no problem if produced to mpeg-4 and is okay if the project is then changed to 16:9.

EDIT: optodata answered first. I beleive that if the project is 16:9 aspect ratio with 16:9 videos, 16:9 titles then there would be no problems. It is the two screenshots that gave it away that this project aspect ratio is 4:3. Thank you again. This may be a bug that needs to be reported to Cyberlink support.

Good catch about the 4:3 project aspect ratio and the 16:9 clip. I see the exact same problem here, and the issues also exists with all WMV profiles except for 320x240/30p and 1440x1080/30p. The offset is higher with higher resolutions, too.

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DOH! It took me a while to comprehend why anyone was talking about 16:9 video in a 4:3 project produced to a 16:9 profile... it was the OP's screenshots.

Yes, given all that, I can replicate the "issue" of misplaced title backgrounds in the produced file. BUT - it's totally controllable.

16:9 video in a 16:9 project produced to a 16:9 profile - NO ISSUE! (that I've found)
4:3 video in a 4:3 project produced to a 4:3 profile - NO ISSUE! (that I've found)

16:9 video in a 4:3 project produced to a 16:9 profile - issue is easily replicated. To me, personally, no issue because I wouldn't do that.

I could easily have missed something here & I'm sure I'll be corrected if I have.

Cheers - Tony
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Tried the project only in the 4:3 aspect ratio with both dv-avi and mpeg-2 videos and the problems are still there when produced to mpeg-2 720 x 480/60i. There is no problem when produced to mp4. Using 16:9 AR videos in a 4:3 AR project is not the problem as 4:3 AR videos produced to mpeg-2 show the same issues. See the screenshots.

Quote 16:9 video in a 16:9 project produced to a 16:9 profile - NO ISSUE! (that I've found)
4:3 video in a 4:3 project produced to a 4:3 profile - NO ISSUE! (that I've found)

16:9 video in a 4:3 project produced to a 16:9 profile - issue is easily replicated. To me, personally, no issue because I wouldn't do that.

I could easily have missed something here & I'm sure I'll be corrected if I have.

I don't think you've missed anything, but I can see situations where this would come up: if the horizontal black bars are part of the visual statement you're making; and whenever there are clips with different aspect ratios on the timeline. In that case, any mis-matched clips (relative to the project setting) are vulnerable.

This happens in a 16:9 project with 4:3 clips, too, and in fact it actually seems to occur on matched clips and projects, but the offset is so small you normally wouldn't see it.

By making the text and produced resolution bigger, the effect is amplified. Take a look at what happens when a title with the default 48 point font size and a backdrop is aligned at the bottom and produced to 4k:



This makes me think it's actually the same problem seen with shadows in this post.

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There is no problem with the same 4:3 videos with the title backdrop when produced to mp4. See the screenshot.

EDIT: optodata - Saw the posted YT video. You have to produce the videos first in order to see the problem. The OP already stated that it looks fine in preview but different in the produced file. I am still waiting for someone to confirm the 16:9 backdrop right side length too short issue. It has to be produced in order to show the issue.

Quote There is no problem with the same 4:3 videos with the title backdrop when produced to mp4. See the screenshot.

EDIT: optodata - Saw the posted YT video. You have to produce the videos first in order to see the problem.

I want to make sure we're all on the same page. My video DOES show the issue!

With Produce preview on, as soon as I click Start, the backdrop shifts up by 1/4 of the height when the display shifts from the timeline preview to the output stream preview. The produced clip matches the offset seen during produce preview, however it's only this obvious at the 4096x2160 H.264 mP4 resolution.

Also, I'm not quite clear on what "redid the project in 16:9" means. My testing seems to indicate that once PD encounters the issue during a session, additional producing attempts are also vulnerable even when the project settings showed no offset originally. Closing PD and doing the same 16:9 test may not show the offset.

Can you confirm that the 16:9 issue is still present after saving/closing/reopening PD? If it is, it may be easier to pack the project for testing rather than type out the specific steps.

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Quote Can you confirm that the 16:9 issue is still present after saving/closing/reopening PD? If it is, it may be easier to pack the project for testing rather than type out the specific steps.

I have found the problem. It takes a little while to digest all this. Back in Dec. saw no problems with title backdrops. See many different issues with them today. Produced 16:9 projects with title backdrops require one to use a profile with a PAR of 1.0 (square pixels). 720 x 480, and 640 x 480 that I used today in the tests have a PAR of 1.1846 and 1.333 respectively. Changing to a mp4 or wmv profile of 1280 x 720 and 1920 x 1080 solves the problem with 16:9. See the attached screenshot.

A profile with square pixels may be the key for the OP's 4:3 project as there is a problem with 720 x 480 but not with 640 x 480.

Yeah, this is a lot to take in. Sounds like the problem started with the 2514 update. I think some other issues crept in to that patch as well.

Yolanda8701 I hope there are some profiles in this thread that will give you good quality video and won't cause the offset problem you've encountered.

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I agree with using a different profile. Since the OP want mpeg-2 that may be for a DVD. A color board resized can be substituted for the backdrop.

Believe that the issues with the title backdrop found by the three senior contributors today need to be addressed by Cyberlink support. I have started ticket ID = CS002002652.

Have got a response on the support ticket. It reads in part as follow:

We understand that you are having concern about the Title/Backdrop alignment when produced in your PowerDirector 17 Ultimate. We are more than willing to assist you.
With reference to your query, we do appreciate for reporting the issue. We have reproduced the same concern in our lab and an engineer is assigned to check the issue.

They duplicated the issue and is now aware of it.