OK, first off, please don't use curse vulgarities or substitute characters as an abbreviation for them. I know this might appear petty and pedantic but this is a public forum and I apply a strict "NO" policy. I'm sure you are eloquent enough to articulate an issue without resorting to offensive terminology. I dislike deleting posts for minor infractions while at the same time I find writing these explanations really boring and time consuming. I also find it equally tiresome to remove and edit a post just to retain content. The answer is of course "be smart and not dumb" with the use of language.

Would you like me to contact CyberLink? I can if you wish.

Dafydd
[Moderator]

I sympathise with your commentary and it was a matter I raised with CyberLink during the development/beta point, of PD8.

Please pass on your suggestion:
http://forum.cyberlink.com/forum/posts/list/3980.page


Dafydd
[Moderator]

I don't know if this will help or not but you have the option of altering the Profiles for .wmv format.

My Sanyo camera outputs 1280X720 at 60fps which I played with rending one of these videos to .wmv at 60fps and it seemed to work fine and PD repors it as 59.97fps which is what I set it to.

EDIT====Also if you choose NTSC when you render your video it will render at 30fps (29.97) even if you live in Australia as I do. My youtube channel====> http://www.youtube.com/user/relate2?feature=mhsn

Dafydd;

I would like to express thanks for your attention in this forum...however, after reading this post I feel the need to comment.

If Cyberlink ignored YOU during development...what good do you think it will do for US to complain or report issues!!?

Having used Powerdirector since version 3, I have seen many improvements. However, I am beginning to feel that Cyberlink is ignoring the move in technology in the video world.

With so many people having the same problems with this product and HD/AVCHD, don't you think it is about time that CYBERLINK gets involved in stating their anticipated path of addressing this matter?? Regression is not the answer and PD8 is a regression, not an upgrade (IMHO).

So, if you CAN contact CYBERLINK (as you mentioned above), how about getting them to come here and discuss what they are doing to address this major issue for their userbase??

I love my high-def video and CYBERLINK is failing us!!! What do you say?? Can you give them a "jingle" with the hopes they will respond to YOU?

I've just done a quick check in one of PD8's rival applications and great! - it offers configuration that allows 50p output. But when I export a 50p clip, then step through the result frame by frame, every other frame is the same... so all it's doing is frame duplication.

Another rival app doesn't offer the option and doesn't even reliably open the 50p footage in the first place.

I would strongly advise anyone wanting such a feature to check any software they have in mind very carefully before purchase, to see whether the option is there, and if so, whether the output really is what it's supposed to be - and whether whatever you are playing it on really plays it at that rate.

Peter;
I don't WANT to move to another application and haven't indicated the desire.
I have tried many other applications, also.

I like PD, I just want to hear from Cyberlink on an issue that is filling this forum with user complaints. They are obviously aware of the problem and should be able to provide expert feedback on the "plan for the future".

I don't WANT to move to another application and haven't indicated the desire.
I have tried many other applications, also.

What I'm saying is that I'm unaware of any app that does as you request, unless perhaps among the very costly pro apps that personally I'm not even going to test let alone buy. I don't think Cyberlink can be said to be lagging behind the field in this respect. But if someone can prove me wrong, go for it!

I don't know if this will help or not but you have the option of altering the Profiles for .wmv format.

I don't see that option in PD8 - in the Produce > File > WMV section there is no provision for user profile creation, unlike in MPEG-2 etc.

I don't see that option in PD8 - in the Produce > File > WMV section there is no provision for user profile creation, unlike in MPEG-2 etc.

Dafydd has made a tutorial video about creating WMV templates. You can see it here... http://seemyworldonvideo.com/view/218/creating-wmv-templates/

My post was directed at Dafydd in an attempt to solicit his help in getting Cyberlink to speak to this matter. I chose to post it here so others could see the question.

Fred, may I ask the origin of your 50fps files? In other words, what device is producing them?

Sorry Peter, I thought you read the post from the top...the 50p files were from "Lassek ". You will have to ask him where his come from.

Mine are 1920x 1080 MTS files from a Canon HF11 captured at 30 fps. I am not convinced that this is a camera/source specific issue. Search for AVCHD and you will see the many posts that discuss the problems we are having....no sense in re-hashing them here (I think).

Ah - the rest of us are discussing "Re:Could this be true? no 50p AVCHD?" and I now realise you're discussing something else.

With so many people having the same problems with this product and HD/AVCHD, don't you think it is about time that CYBERLINK gets involved in stating their anticipated path of addressing this matter??

thought you meant that many people were having the same problem with no 50p AVCHD output. You're just talking in general terms I think.

Guys - I'm glad we've decided on the topic, to which I could add little.

Peter - it's good to be able to learn from others' testing, experience and knowledge. Keep posting! Is there some kind of unwritten law about mentioning the "others"?

Lassek - where are you in this discussion?

Fred - "someone" once said of "someone else" here: "You have a very compelling avatar." I'd love to be able to say that of yours.

Cheers - Tony
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The reason I was asking about the source of the 50p video is that some devices output 50p but only read the sensor 25 times per second - so you've got doubled frames at the outset, and you don't lose anything going to 25fps.

A little while ago Adrian and I carried out some testing on *.mp4 files. We looked specifically at individual frame quality in relation to a block of video. We found the "block" of video in both cases remained constant while the segmentation was the only factor altered.

Basically we found the x25 individual frame was a better per frame quality than the x30 simply because it was a divisible of less number of the block.

My concern with higher fps is the ability to segment the block of video data into portions to edit it, in Trim and Multi-Trim. Outputting a file at a higher frame rate where players (TV's and software) would not cope is not an area I want to go down. Retention of frame rate to edit later is of course a good reason and to marry up but it is still only a block of electronic data to be segmented.

I have already mentioned this issue to CyberLink. I don't have knowledge or control of CyberLink's actions, I just make suggestions. Like all organisations they have to target R&D projects to specific area and costs are a consideration. I'm sure, I was listen to and not ignored. I know that my suggestions have been taken up previously and PD advance has reflected this.

I have referred all your posts/this topic to CyberLink.

Dafydd
[Moderator]

Hi Tony,

In relation to your question of Lassek ... " - where are you in this discussion? " ...

I think he probably would be very shocked to realise there have been some 14 posts within 24 hours of him asking his question.

The timing of Peter and Fred's posts was very rapid fire - I have really enjoyed it.

It would make all of our lives easier if the AVCHD standard were unified and followed by all manufacturers. Then software such as PD could at least have a decent chance, rather than trying to hit a moving target.

Just my 2 cents worth.

Cheers, Con Windows 7 - i7 860, 8Gb RAM, 2 x 1 TB HDD, GTS 250 1Gb Video

I wasn't really trying to hi-jack the topic. I was just asking for some feedback from CYBERLINK to be mixed into these posts! 50p, 30p, it's all the same to me...degradation upon rendering.

Sorry, peter if I got you off-track. I entered in trying to give "Lassek " time to cool-down. Seems he went elsewhere instead.

I guess I have to work on my communications skills AND my Avatar.

For simple editing and joining 50 fps H264 clips I use H264_cutter.

It can trim clips in multiple sections and join several such edited clips together into one file.

It does not re encode the stream so it is lightening fast and keeps the original quality of the clips.

The size of the program is 566 Kb installed and it is a free utility. It can be downloaded from many sites including http://www.softpedia.com/progDownload/H264TS-Cutter-Download-69563.html

In general this utility does what I need. Do some clip editing and join the clips into a short movie, all at lightening quick speed and while preserving the original quality.

I think it would be good if PD had a similar mode.

I tried the program but it only works on ts files not native h.264 files plus I received a weird message from my firewall program COMODO that the program wanted to access my keyboard which is strange. The message says that some programs do this for keyboard shortcuts but I am concerned about malware etc so I deleted the program. My youtube channel====> http://www.youtube.com/user/relate2?feature=mhsn