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Advice rendering NTSC vs PAL 60fps (div. settings, H.264/ H.265)
JNY64 [Avatar]
Newbie Joined: Jan 04, 2018 08:24 Messages: 1 Offline
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I am from the Netherlands and new to Powerdirector 16.
I shot some yi4k+ videos at 4k 60fps NTSC, despite living in the Netherlands (PAL)
I edited a few videos including slow motion parts (speed 50%), stills, photos and audio.

Ready for producing/ rendering i would be very grateful for some expert advice.

System W10 - i5 - 4460 - intel 4600 graphics on board - 3,2 ghz - 16gb Ram - SSD

Questions:

  1. Do i stay with NTSC or render/ convert to PAL

  2. Choose H.264 vs. H.265

  3. Which quality setting and framerate for Television playback: 4k, 2k or 1080P (current TV set is full HD)

  4. Use (intelligent) SVRT?

  5. Use Hardware acceleration OpenCL? (4600 should support only version 1.2)

  6. Use blocked artifacts in ''produce'' settings (SSE4 optimalized)



Any further advice also very welcome!!

Hope to hear from you.

Greetings,

John

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The Shadowman
Senior Contributor Location: UK Joined: Dec 15, 2014 13:06 Messages: 1831 Offline
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Quote I am from the Netherlands and new to Powerdirector 16.
I shot some yi4k+ videos at 4k 60fps NTSC, despite living in the Netherlands (PAL)
I edited a few videos including slow motion parts (speed 50%), stills, photos and audio.

Ready for producing/ rendering i would be very grateful for some expert advice.

System W10 - i5 - 4460 - intel 4600 graphics on board - 3,2 ghz - 16gb Ram - SSD

Questions:

  1. Do i stay with NTSC or render/ convert to PAL

  2. Choose H.264 vs. H.265

  3. Which quality setting and framerate for Television playback: 4k, 2k or 1080P (current TV set is full HD)

  4. Use (intelligent) SVRT?

  5. Use Hardware acceleration OpenCL? (4600 should support only version 1.2)

  6. Use blocked artifacts in ''produce'' settings (SSE4 optimalized)



Any further advice also very welcome!!

Hope to hear from you.

Greetings,

John

Question 1. If you want to watch your productions on your TV you should use PAL. PAL TVs are set to 50 Hz whereas NTSC uses 60 Hz. Use 25 or 50 frame per second.

Brief explanations are given in issues 5 & 6 here in theNewbie Room article. http://forum.cyberlink.com/forum/posts/list/64399.page However, there's lot of useful stuff in all the issues - enjoy

Edit: having had a look at your camera it would seem that you can only use NTSC so your TV may have some flicker. My TV is changeable from 50 to 60 if required, perhaps yours is. Have a look here about frequency flicker Google. urbanvideo.ca/avoid-flicker

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Panny TM10, GH2, GH4,
The Shadowman
Senior Contributor Location: UK Joined: Dec 15, 2014 13:06 Messages: 1831 Offline
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Quote I am from the Netherlands and new to Powerdirector 16.
I shot some yi4k+ videos at 4k 60fps NTSC, despite living in the Netherlands (PAL)
I edited a few videos including slow motion parts (speed 50%), stills, photos and audio.

Ready for producing/ rendering i would be very grateful for some expert advice.

System W10 - i5 - 4460 - intel 4600 graphics on board - 3,2 ghz - 16gb Ram - SSD

Questions:

  1. Do i stay with NTSC or render/ convert to PAL

  2. Choose H.264 vs. H.265

  3. Which quality setting and framerate for Television playback: 4k, 2k or 1080P (current TV set is full HD)

  4. Use (intelligent) SVRT?

  5. Use Hardware acceleration OpenCL? (4600 should support only version 1.2)

  6. Use blocked artifacts in ''produce'' settings (SSE4 optimalized)



Any further advice also very welcome!!

Hope to hear from you.

Greetings,

John

Question 1. If you want to watch your productions on your TV you should use PAL. PAL TVs are set to 50 Hz whereas NTSC uses 60 Hz. Use 25 or 50 frame per second.

Brief explanations are given in issues 5 & 6 here in theNewbie Room article. http://forum.cyberlink.com/forum/posts/list/64399.page However, there's lot of useful stuff in all the issues - enjoy

Edit: having had a look at your camera it would seem that you can only use NTSC so your TV may have some flicker. My TV is changeable from 50 to 60 if required, perhaps yours is. Have a look here about frequency flicker Google. urbanvideo.ca/avoid-flicker

H264 or H265

My understanding is H265 (if your PC can handle it) will give you smaller files at any given bitrate, but at the same bitrate as H264, H265 will produce better quality.

I am sure others will be able to give a better explanation.

Hardware Acceleration: I have i7 HD4600 and it works perfectly well without HA. My advice is, HA causes more trouble than its worth. (my opinion)

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Panny TM10, GH2, GH4,
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When talking about HD, theree is no more NTSC or PAL. Period. I wish that CL would stop adding those letters to the HD formats.

All the modern HDTV sets can handle all the framerates, from 24fps to 60fps, even if is not documented. They are nothing else than computers with a small cpu/video processor, similar with the ones in the phones and tablets.
Saying that HDTV's in EU are "PAL" is the same as saying that your PC is "PAL" or your phone is "PAL". Makes no sense.

And even the old-school SD TV sets sold for 50FPS could syncronize on 60FPS...

I would keep the footage in the native framerate, conversion between 50 and 60 always generates jerkiness.

As for the actual format, your 4600 GPU can do both in hardware, but only up to 1080. Your system will struggle with 4K videos because the decoding would have to be done by the CPU. In that case H264 will be less stressful than H265.
See below capabilities (Haswell is your CPU generation):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_HD_and_Iris_Graphics#Capabilities

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Cartof [Avatar]
Newbie Joined: Aug 11, 2017 06:12 Messages: 41 Offline
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  • Choose H.264 vs. H.265


  • I convert my Shadowplay files (GeForce Experience) at 1080p/60fps/50Mbits (AVC H.264) to 1080p/60fps/13Mbits (HEVC H.265) with CyberLink MediaEspresso and they look great !

    From my experience with exporting to HEVC from CyberLink PowerDirector 16 at 1080p/60fps/38Mbits from the same Shadowplay sources they still look great.

    Unfortunately YouTube does not accept HEVC, only AVC so.. i guess HEVC H.265 would be awesome for storage if your editor can import it later - and PD16 can.
    Cartof [Avatar]
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    My understanding is H265 (if your PC can handle it) will give you smaller files at any given bitrate, but at the same bitrate as H264, H265 will produce better quality.


    I have tested AVC h.264 and HEVC h.265 from same source file, both exported to 1080p/60fps/38Mbits (seems like PD16 cannot export higher bitrate than 38800 at 1080p..) and looking at 100% zooms the HEVC file is WAY SHARPER while the AVC is blurry as heck. I have checked both high moving and detailed stills from the video and my conclusion is clear.
    Eugen157
    Senior Contributor Location: Palm Springs area, So.CA Joined: Dec 10, 2012 13:57 Messages: 662 Offline
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    I have been shooting 4K MP4 at 100 Mb with a Sony FDR AX100 and after editing output in 265 at 60Mb. My Pc can do it in 2 to 3 times real time, work done by the GPU GTX960.
    PQ is such that it is difficult to discern differences between MP4 original and the HEVC edited output.

    As to NTSC/PAL, I own a lot of European videos, my 3 yr old 75" TV will play them all at the original frame rate without even a hint of flicker. I would never convert their frame rate.

    BBC World II uses 24P, here too no TV flicker.

    So I would stick with the 60P frame rate.

    The only problem would be mixing videos shot by a friend of yours that uses 50 FPS

    Eugene

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    73s, WA6JZN ex DL9GC
    CYBERLINK PLEASE ADD UHD BLU RAY BURNING SOFTWARE
    PD14,
    Win10,64bit.CPU i7 6700,16GB ,C= 480 GB SSD ,GPU GTX1060 6GB 1 fan. Plus 3 int, 4 ext HDD's for video etc.LG WH16NS40 reads UHD.
    4K 24" ViewSonic monitor.Camera Sony FDR-A
    Jack Doon [Avatar]
    Newbie Location: Rotterdam Netherlands Joined: Dec 14, 2017 22:07 Messages: 2 Offline
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    Quote I am from the Netherlands and new to Powerdirector 16.
    I shot some yi4k+ videos at 4k 60fps NTSC, despite living in the Netherlands (PAL)
    I edited a few videos including slow motion parts (speed 50%), stills, photos and audio.

    Ready for producing/ rendering i would be very grateful for some expert advice.

    System W10 - i5 - 4460 - intel 4600 graphics on board - 3,2 ghz - 16gb Ram - SSD

    Questions:

    1. Do i stay with NTSC or render/ convert to PAL

    2. Choose H.264 vs. H.265

    3. Which quality setting and framerate for Television playback: 4k, 2k or 1080P (current TV set is full HD)

    4. Use (intelligent) SVRT?

    5. Use Hardware acceleration OpenCL? (4600 should support only version 1.2)

    6. Use blocked artifacts in ''produce'' settings (SSE4 optimalized)



    Any further advice also very welcome!!

    Hope to hear from you.

    Greetings,

    John







    Houdt het op 60 (pal /ntsc bestaat niet meer)
    Gebruik hevc (h265) voor best kwaliteit.
    Gebruik avc s voor mp4 (h264)
    Gebruik geen open gl maar hardware de/codering
    Eugen157
    Senior Contributor Location: Palm Springs area, So.CA Joined: Dec 10, 2012 13:57 Messages: 662 Offline
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    Converting the frame rate from 60 to 50 or 50 to 60 or 25 to 30 etc will have a major impact on video quality, especially if there is motion. This jitter is unavoidable with this kind low cost software.

    Make a 1 min test .


    Stay with your orignal parameters, 30P or 60P

    Eugene

    This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at Jan 08. 2018 00:36

    73s, WA6JZN ex DL9GC
    CYBERLINK PLEASE ADD UHD BLU RAY BURNING SOFTWARE
    PD14,
    Win10,64bit.CPU i7 6700,16GB ,C= 480 GB SSD ,GPU GTX1060 6GB 1 fan. Plus 3 int, 4 ext HDD's for video etc.LG WH16NS40 reads UHD.
    4K 24" ViewSonic monitor.Camera Sony FDR-A
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