If you double click your title it will take you to the Title Designer and in there you can define various properties the end effect i.e. fade in this case.

Quote If you double click your title it will take you to the Title Designer and in there you can define various properties the end effect i.e. fade in this case.

Thank you very much for your reply but that has no effect. Whether I define an "ending effect" for the title or "no effect" the result is still the same... ;-((

And even if I apply an ending "fade" effect to the title it's always a little off-sync to the video track fade out, no matter how I adjust the slider.

A workaround is of course to produce the whole video, apply a fade out to the finished video and produce it again. But that can't be it, right...? Any other ideas, perhaps...?

Are you using a pre-defined title or building your own? I'm certain that, in your case it is the "Ending Effect" that you need to look at. Once you have applied that effect and added the title to your timeline, you can double click on it and then adjust the timing of the effect by dragging the start of the effect to alter the timing of it.

Quote Are you using a pre-defined title or building your own? I'm certain that, in your case it is the "Ending Effect" that you need to look at. Once you have applied that effect and added the title to your timeline, you can double click on it and then adjust the timing of the effect by dragging the start of the effect to alter the timing of it.

It's called "In Action 1" and it's a graphic and text in the lower left corner. The problem is that I can't match the two different fades to exactly fade out at the same moment because the title fade curve seems to be different from the one of the clip fade effect, somehow not linear, more like faster towards the end of the fade if you know what I mean.



Thanks again and maybe we'll solve that one but now I have to go to bed, sorry for not answering any more tonight. CU (hopefully)!

OK - sleep tight .

I just tried that title and had no problem keyframing the opacity to fade out at the same time as a still image I had placed on my first video timeline. I think that you just need to experiment with it.

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Quote Are you using a pre-defined title or building your own? I'm certain that, in your case it is the "Ending Effect" that you need to look at. Once you have applied that effect and added the title to your timeline, you can double click on it and then adjust the timing of the effect by dragging the start of the effect to alter the timing of it.

It's called "In Action 1" and it's a graphic and text in the lower left corner. The problem is that I can't match the two different fades to exactly fade out at the same moment because the title fade curve seems to be different from the one of the clip fade effect, somehow not linear, more like faster towards the end of the fade if you know what I mean.



Thanks again and maybe we'll solve that one but now I have to go to bed, sorry for not answering any more tonight. CU (hopefully)!

Good morning, Alex

My guess is you have the transition set to fade to black.

Try this: Expand the timeline so that you can see the split very clearly. Drag the fade transition down and hover it over the split. Dont let it sit to the right or the left of the split, but when it is looking central let it go. To all intents and purposes it will now look like it is sitting on the left, but it isn't. If you now play the clip you should get a true fade that will match the fade out of the title.

I hope this was your problem and that this has helped you.

Robert

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Quote Are you using a pre-defined title or building your own? I'm certain that, in your case it is the "Ending Effect" that you need to look at. Once you have applied that effect and added the title to your timeline, you can double click on it and then adjust the timing of the effect by dragging the start of the effect to alter the timing of it.

It's called "In Action 1" and it's a graphic and text in the lower left corner. The problem is that I can't match the two different fades to exactly fade out at the same moment because the title fade curve seems to be different from the one of the clip fade effect, somehow not linear, more like faster towards the end of the fade if you know what I mean.



Thanks again and maybe we'll solve that one but now I have to go to bed, sorry for not answering any more tonight. CU (hopefully)!

Good morning, Alex

My guess is you have the transition set to fade to black.

Try this: Expand the timeline so that you can see the split very clearly. Drag the fade transition down and hover it over the split. Dont let it sit to the right or the left of the split, but when it is looking central let it go. To all intents and purposes it will now look like it is sitting on the left, but it isn't. If you now play the clip you should get a true fade that will match the fade out of the title.

I hope this was your problem and that this has helped you.

Robert

Thank you so much but sadly, no effect. I recorded it so you may see for yourself. Both fades are placed between the clips and the black still as you said.

a) No matter what I do it always stays the same: As soon as I place a fade over the title the video track above goes black immediately!

b) If I select an "ending effect" fade for the title instead (in the Title Designer) it's the same.

c) The same effect also if I don't place black stills after the clips and just put fades at the end of clip and title.

....?!

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Quote Are you using a pre-defined title or building your own? I'm certain that, in your case it is the "Ending Effect" that you need to look at. Once you have applied that effect and added the title to your timeline, you can double click on it and then adjust the timing of the effect by dragging the start of the effect to alter the timing of it.

It's called "In Action 1" and it's a graphic and text in the lower left corner. The problem is that I can't match the two different fades to exactly fade out at the same moment because the title fade curve seems to be different from the one of the clip fade effect, somehow not linear, more like faster towards the end of the fade if you know what I mean.



Thanks again and maybe we'll solve that one but now I have to go to bed, sorry for not answering any more tonight. CU (hopefully)!

Good morning, Alex

My guess is you have the transition set to fade to black.

Try this: Expand the timeline so that you can see the split very clearly. Drag the fade transition down and hover it over the split. Dont let it sit to the right or the left of the split, but when it is looking central let it go. To all intents and purposes it will now look like it is sitting on the left, but it isn't. If you now play the clip you should get a true fade that will match the fade out of the title.

I hope this was your problem and that this has helped you.

Robert

Thank you so much but sadly, no effect. I recorded it so you may see for yourself. Both fades are placed between the clips and the black still as you said.

a) No matter what I do it always stays the same: As soon as I place a fade over the title the video track above goes black immediately!

b) If I select an "ending effect" fade for the title instead (in the Title Designer) it's the same.

c) The same effect also if I don't place black stills after the clips and just put fades at the end of clip and title.

....?!

What happens if you take the black stills away, and just for an experiment, replace track 1 with a bright movie clip. Then put the fade in as I showed above. Now, again as an experiment, remove the title and play the scene. Do you now get a proper fade in track one. You cant just fade to a black still, it will always be black.

If the above works we can work on the title

Robert

I'm finding it difficult to interpret exactly what you've done there. Try this - put a clip on your video timeline. Now put the title you are using on the title timeline (marked with a T). Set the fade out for your clip. Now drag the title along the timeline so that it ends just before the video clip.

If you've got snapping enabled it will initially snap to the end of the video clip but you can drag it to the left.

Quote I'm finding it difficult to interpret exactly what you've done there. Try this - put a clip on your video timeline. Now put the title you are using on the title timeline (marked with a T). Set the fade out for your clip. Now drag the title along the timeline so that it ends just before the video clip.

If you've got snapping enabled it will initially snap to the end of the video clip but you can drag it to the left.

ANSWER TO BOTH:

I tried a video clip with a fade out and below that my title with an "ending effect" fade. If I shift the title a little to the left I get more or less a simultaneous fade for both clip and title.

The thing is: Why does the title start to fade out more towards the very end and not as linear as the clip fade "transition" effect?! If they did things would be much easier.

Also the title fade apparently only applies to the text part, not the graphics! Can you fade the "circle" part around the text too?

And still my main question: Why does the video go black when I put a fade out over a title?



You were so helpful so far and f if you lose interest I can understand that. If you have another solution let me know.

Have you tried it yourself?!!!! If so what are your results?



I attached two clips:



One where I first have both tracks aligned (notice how the circle fades later that the rest!) and after that with a slight shift of the title to the left. As you can see it's better but why do I have to fizzle around milliseconds when I should be able to just put a friggin fade over the whole title effect? Sorry, you are not Cyberlink but as I said, try it yourself if you haven't already!)

The other with my workaround of no fades at all and after producing putting a fade out over the rendered clip and producing it again. The result: a steady fade for both.



I still like PD.... most of the time.....



Thanks again in advance!

I won't lose interest, I only do that once I've worked something out .

I don't, at the moment, know why adding a fade to the end of your clip isn't working. Just one thing I'd say here - you don't need a black colour board between the clips in order to fade to black. A gap will have exactly the same effect.

This is what I have done without encountering any problems at all.

1. Added a video clip to the first timeline.


2. Added a still image to the same timeline with a gap of a several seconds between them.


3. Added a fade to the end of the video clip.


4. Added a fade to the start of the still image.


5. Added that (awful) title to the title timeline initially at the end of the video clip and then,


6. Dragged it so that it ends slightly before the end of the video clip.

I think that is roughly what you are doing and it all works perfectly for me.

As far as the title is concerned, you're right that you can't control the way it works. Well that's not quite true because you can go into the template folder and make changes to the dozens of files that you'll find that make up the title. I never use the pre-defined titles at all in fact I never use any templates but that's just me. I just find them too restrictive.

Try creating a new project from scratch as I've described above and see if that works.

p.s. - I always say that there are lots of ways to achieve what you want. If you find a way to do it then T.B.H. - problem's solved

Quote I won't lose interest, I only do that once I've worked something out .

I don't, at the moment, know why adding a fade to the end of your clip isn't working. Just one thing I'd say here - you don't need a black colour board between the clips in order to fade to black. A gap will have exactly the same effect.

This is what I have done without encountering any problems at all.

1. Added a video clip to the first timeline.


2. Added a still image to the same timeline with a gap of a several seconds between them.


3. Added a fade to the end of the video clip.


4. Added a fade to the start of the still image.


5. Added that (awful) title to the title timeline initially at the end of the video clip and then,


6. Dragged it so that it ends slightly before the end of the video clip.

I think that is roughly what you are doing and it all works perfectly for me.

As far as the title is concerned, you're right that you can't control the way it works. Well that's not quite true because you can go into the template folder and make changes to the dozens of files that you'll find that make up the title. I never use the pre-defined titles at all in fact I never use any templates but that's just me. I just find them too restrictive.

Try creating a new project from scratch as I've described above and see if that works.

p.s. - I always say that there are lots of ways to achieve what you want. If you find a way to do it then T.B.H. - problem's solved

Alex

Where does the title come from? If you look carefully, the screen goes black before the fade is reached. This suggests to me that it is in fact the title effect that goes completely black before it ends. From my point of view I would need to know where the title template came from and preferably it's name.

Robert Panny TM10, GH2, GH4,

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Quote I won't lose interest, I only do that once I've worked something out .

I don't, at the moment, know why adding a fade to the end of your clip isn't working. Just one thing I'd say here - you don't need a black colour board between the clips in order to fade to black. A gap will have exactly the same effect.

This is what I have done without encountering any problems at all.

1. Added a video clip to the first timeline.


2. Added a still image to the same timeline with a gap of a several seconds between them.


3. Added a fade to the end of the video clip.


4. Added a fade to the start of the still image.


5. Added that (awful) title to the title timeline initially at the end of the video clip and then,


6. Dragged it so that it ends slightly before the end of the video clip.

I think that is roughly what you are doing and it all works perfectly for me.

As far as the title is concerned, you're right that you can't control the way it works. Well that's not quite true because you can go into the template folder and make changes to the dozens of files that you'll find that make up the title. I never use the pre-defined titles at all in fact I never use any templates but that's just me. I just find them too restrictive.

Try creating a new project from scratch as I've described above and see if that works.

p.s. - I always say that there are lots of ways to achieve what you want. If you find a way to do it then T.B.H. - problem's solved

Alex

Where does the title come from? If you look carefully, the screen goes black before the fade is reached. This suggests to me that it is in fact the title effect that goes completely black before it ends. From my point of view I would need to know where the title template came from and preferably it's name.

Robert

Alex

See picture attached showing what I mean above. Panny TM10, GH2, GH4,

@Shadowman - In the fifth post in this thread Alex says, "It's called "In Action 1". The title is in my title room presumably one that came with one of the accompanying packs. That screenshot shows a fade overlaying the title but the title itself has already got it's own fade. This is one of the things that look odd to me.

Quote @Shadowman - In the fifth post in this thread Alex says, "It's called "In Action 1". The title is in my title room presumably one that came with one of the accompanying packs. That screenshot shows a fade overlaying the title but the title itself has already got it's own fade. This is one of the things that look odd to me.

I've just downloaded and checked the transition, and that is fine. Have a look at the attached picture and tell us the result.

Is it at all possible that you have a black image at that point on another track below. It often happens. Panny TM10, GH2, GH4,

I did as you showed in your picture. Here's the result: (and no, I deleted all other tracks, there are no black stills below or anything, and I even unchecked all remaining tracks)

In the video you can see: The title fade makes the video track go black immediately.

O well....



I made two videos: "checked and unchecked" is according to your suggestion.

Video "test3" is to show that I guess the best way is to slightly adjust the title position to achieve a more or less simultaneous fade of both.



Blame Cyberlink for their stupid and illogical "track superiority behavior" programming. I adressed that several times in the "suggestions for new versions" threads already. The track below always dominates the track above it.



Tell me what you think! :

Alex

I did as you showed in your picture. Here's the result: (and no, I deleted all other tracks, there are no black stills below or anything, and I even unchecked all remaining tracks)

In the video you can see: The title fade makes the video track go black immediately.

O well....



I made two videos: "checked and unchecked" is according to your suggestion.

Video "test3" is to show that I guess the best way is to slightly adjust the title position to achieve a more or less simultaneous fade of both.



Blame Cyberlink for their stupid and illogical "track superiority behavior" programming. I adressed that several times in the "suggestions for new versions" threads already. The track below always dominates the track above it.



Tell me what you think! :

Alex

6 minutes and 43 seconds waiting and I can now reply. An afterschool Y7 IT club could probably sort the forum out! Anyway...

Why don't you have the title in the title timeline?

Try just a video clip in the video timeline and the title in the title timeline.

p.s. - the way that layers are implemented is IMO perfectly logical. Think of a stack of photographs. Put one on the table and now put another one on top of it - can you see the first one? Cut a hole in the middle of the second one you put down - now you can see part of the first one and so on...

Quote 6 minutes and 43 seconds waiting and I can now reply. An afterschool Y7 IT club could probably sort the forum out! Anyway...

Why don't you have the title in the title timeline?

Try just a video clip in the video timeline and the title in the title timeline.

p.s. - the way that layers are implemented is IMO perfectly logical. Think of a stack of photographs. Put one on the table and now put another one on top of it - can you see the first one? Cut a hole in the middle of the second one you put down - now you can see part of the first one and so on...

The forum software is seriously messed up somehow at the moment. I can't post anything (hope this comes through).

Let's continue this some other time (hopefully tomorrow), sadly I got things to do right now.

Thank you so much for your time and patience. Read you soon!

Alex