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schmidty3634 [Avatar]
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I could use some help. I filmed a dance performance in one continuous recording. My video camera, under such circumstances, breaks the recording into multiple files (approx 4gb each). When adding each file to my PD project, there results a small hiccup in playback where the files connect to each other. Is there a way to smooth this out, or am I stuck with it, since its basically a hesitation cause by two seperate files? Hope I explained this well.
vn800rider
Senior Contributor Location: Darwen, UK Joined: May 15, 2008 04:32 Messages: 1949 Offline
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Hi,

Depends on how "continuous" you need the output.

Barring playing with the last frame of a preceding clip and the 1st frame of the next, making copies and playing with opacity etc, which might still look a bit rough, then times like these might require a bit of artistic license to "mask" the break.

Could be a simple fade in/out to the next track or something more artistic. The exact solution will depend on your taste.

In similar circumstances, I have used the forced break to introduce an effect and also used a similar effect when it wasn't needed, but at a more natural point, so that in the final product, the viewer will not tell which effect was "necessary" to mask a break and which was just an artistic interpretation?

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The Shadowman
Senior Contributor Location: UK Joined: Dec 15, 2014 13:06 Messages: 1831 Offline
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Quote I could use some help. I filmed a dance performance in one continuous recording. My video camera, under such circumstances, breaks the recording into multiple files (approx 4gb each). When adding each file to my PD project, there results a small hiccup in playback where the files connect to each other. Is there a way to smooth this out, or am I stuck with it, since its basically a hesitation cause by two seperate files? Hope I explained this well.


Hi schmidty

Maybe this would help http://www.mp4joiner.org/en/ it's free - nothing to lose.

I haven't tried it, but it sounds like it should help

However, if your files happen to be m2ts, you can use tsMuxer to join them together

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Panny TM10, GH2, GH4,
CS2014
Senior Contributor Location: USA-Eastern Time Zone Joined: Sep 16, 2014 16:44 Messages: 629 Offline
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...and if when those files are created... if the were ANY frames missing (between the two clips that were 'back-to-back' .. so to speak)... then I would think it will be pretty tough to 'knit' the two clips together without a 'hiccup'.

BUt I hope I am wrong for your sake and that Robert and Adrian 's suggestions fizes yoru issue.

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Fenman
Senior Contributor Location: Cambridge, UK Joined: Nov 24, 2011 04:44 Messages: 731 Offline
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Quote I could use some help. I filmed a dance performance in one continuous recording. My video camera, under such circumstances, breaks the recording into multiple files (approx 4gb each). When adding each file to my PD project, there results a small hiccup in playback where the files connect to each other. Is there a way to smooth this out, or am I stuck with it, since its basically a hesitation cause by two seperate files? Hope I explained this well.


Does this hiccup occur on the final produced video or just on the timeline? It's not unusual for PD to hesitate between clips when previewing the timeline unless you have a very powerful system. Have you tried stepping one frame at a time over the boundary between clips to see if there are actually frames missing? I'd be very surprised if your camera lost frames when creating the multiple files. Regards,
Mike

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The Shadowman
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Quote I could use some help. I filmed a dance performance in one continuous recording. My video camera, under such circumstances, breaks the recording into multiple files (approx 4gb each). When adding each file to my PD project, there results a small hiccup in playback where the files connect to each other. Is there a way to smooth this out, or am I stuck with it, since its basically a hesitation cause by two seperate files? Hope I explained this well.


Does this hiccup occur on the final produced video or just on the timeline? It's not unusual for PD to hesitate between clips when previewing the timeline unless you have a very powerful system. Have you tried stepping one frame at a time over the boundary between clips to see if there are actually frames missing? I'd be very surprised if your camera lost frames when creating the multiple files.


I think what happens is, at least with my Panasonic, by design, the camera automatically cuts off the clip when 4 gbs are reached. However the camera doesn't stop filming at all, therefore the audio should not be broken, and it should be possible to stitch the clips back together with software. It is only within the timeline of an NLE program that the gap in the audio will show. In my experience, production does not cure the problem

Robert Panny TM10, GH2, GH4,
Fenman
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Quote with my Panasonic, by design, the camera automatically cuts off the clip when 4 gbs are reached. However the camera doesn't stop filming at all, therefore the audio should not be broken
Robert


This is basically what I'm saying Robert. The camera should be buffering the digital streams so that it can close one file and open another without any loss of video or audio information. Regards,
Mike

Home-build system:
Intel Core i5 Quad Core 3.3GHz, 2 x 4GB DDR3 1333MHz,
Asus Nvidia GT440 1GB, 2 x Western Digital WD10EARS 1TB, 1 x Seagate ST1000DM010 1TB,
Windows 7 Prof 64-bit, PD 9 Ultra 64, PD 13 Ultimate 64
The Shadowman
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Quote with my Panasonic, by design, the camera automatically cuts off the clip when 4 gbs are reached. However the camera doesn't stop filming at all, therefore the audio should not be broken
Robert


This is basically what I'm saying Robert. The camera should be buffering the digital streams so that it can close one file and open another without any loss of video or audio information.


Hi Mike

Yes, that's how I understand it. So it should be possible to stitch the files together

Robert Panny TM10, GH2, GH4,
Fenman
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I agree, it should, but by the same token I would expect if the files are placed sequentially in the PD timeline it should be possible to produce them as a single file with no breaks in video or audio.

That's why I was asking the original poster if the effect is observed in a produced file or only when previewing the timeline. Regards,
Mike

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Intel Core i5 Quad Core 3.3GHz, 2 x 4GB DDR3 1333MHz,
Asus Nvidia GT440 1GB, 2 x Western Digital WD10EARS 1TB, 1 x Seagate ST1000DM010 1TB,
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BarryTheCrab
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My Canons split the video, I ignore it and proceed, the rendered video has no issues. HP Envy Phoenix/4thGen i7-4770(4@3.4GHz~turbo>3.9)
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The Shadowman
Senior Contributor Location: UK Joined: Dec 15, 2014 13:06 Messages: 1831 Offline
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Quote My Canons split the video, I ignore it and proceed, the rendered video has no issues.


Hi Barry

Have you done this with a serious sound track? So when you play your 4GB clips you don't get a tiny gap in the audio - that;s interesting.

Robert Panny TM10, GH2, GH4,
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Quote I think what happens is, at least with my Panasonic, by design, the camera automatically cuts off the clip when 4 gbs are reached. However the camera doesn't stop filming at all, therefore the audio should not be broken, and it should be possible to stitch the clips back together with software. It is only within the timeline of an NLE program that the gap in the audio will show. In my experience, production does not cure the problem

Robert


I believe Barry uses Canon camcorders and apparently has no problems as compared with the Panasonics. The OP has not responded since the original post and I believe then that the joiner link the Shadowman supplied earlier must have solved it for him. The newer Panasonics records both in mp4 and avchd. The joiner should work.

I already supplied the fix for the older Panny’s years ago and it does fix the problem.
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