A bit confused as I purchase a new PC and will be using PD15

DocDaddy

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Nov 20, 2016 17:11

My editing needs are pretty simple, I'm not a pro by any means. I'm typically taking HD videos from a variety of sources and editing them down to smaller clips, then combining those smaller clips into one video. Highest resolution I'm editing to is typically 1080p. I'll add music soundtracks and intersperse some titles into the finished video, but that's about it.

I'm currently using my old Alienware M17x laptop (I am on the road a LOT so a laptop is required) which has an nVidia GTX 680m, 16 Gig of system RAM, and the CPU is a 3 or 4 year old Intel i7-3630QM @2.40 GHz. I think that's a dual core CPU.

It works OK for my work, a bit slow but OK.

This old machine is now breaking down and I am going to buy a new notebook. Since I travel so much, lightweight and long battery life is everything. I'll be getting a 1920x1080 display (I don't yet like some of the ways Windows 10 scales the 4K screens) so I'll be editing again at those levels.

There are a lot of options, and on any of them I'll be using the i7 Skylake (or perhaps the next gen i7 Kaby Lake quad core) dual core CPUs. But what is holding me back on the various options is the video card.

I can get a laptop with the nVidia Geforce GTX 1060 with 6G of RAm, but I give up battery life and weight. I can also get systems with nVidia Quadro M1000M, or systems simply with an Intel HD 520 or Intel Iris GPUs.

Right now the GPU is what is holding me back on choosing a system. For what I do, will any of those GPUs be fine? Or are any of those graphics options going to be problematic?

Thanks very much.

PepsiMan

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Nov 20, 2016 19:14

is this what u r looking for?

MSI 17.3" FHD 120Hz 5ms GS73VR Stealth Pro-025 Intel Core i7 6700HQ (2.60
GHz) NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060 16 GB Memory 256 GB SSD 1 TB HDD Windows 10
Home 64-Bit Gaming Laptop VR Ready

newegg -> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834154294

amazon -> https://www.amazon.com/MSI-GS73VR-Stealth-Pro-025-i7-6700HQ/dp/B01IOHNQQK

expect noisy cooling fan!

i need you for my santa.

happy happy joy joy

PepsiMan

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DocDaddy

Member Joined: Jan 06, 2012 13:59 Messages: 58 Offline

Nov 21, 2016 19:46

Well, I don't know. I'm not really needing a gaming laptop. That's the question - if I get a lightweight ultrabook, for example, with a quad core i7 processor, what GPU do I need for editing 1080p videos?

Quote is this what u r looking for?

MSI 17.3" FHD 120Hz 5ms GS73VR Stealth Pro-025 Intel Core i7 6700HQ (2.60
GHz) NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060 16 GB Memory 256 GB SSD 1 TB HDD Windows 10
Home 64-Bit Gaming Laptop VR Ready

newegg -> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834154294

amazon -> https://www.amazon.com/MSI-GS73VR-Stealth-Pro-025-i7-6700HQ/dp/B01IOHNQQK

expect noisy cooling fan!

i need you for my santa.

happy happy joy joy

PepsiMan

'garbage in garbage out'

PepsiMan

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Nov 21, 2016 22:00

your quest ? contained all those stuff.

skylake cpu, gtx1060 gpu, 16GB ram, 1080 FHD screen, etc...

this is your cpu ->

http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Core+i7-3840QM+%40+2.80GHz&id=900

skylake cpu -> http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Core+i7-6700HQ+%40+2.60GHz&id=2586

your gpu -> http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/gpu.php?gpu=GeForce+GTX+680MX&id=2356

gtx1060 -> http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/gpu.php?gpu=GeForce+GTX+1060&id=3548

hmmm.

what do they call your Alienware? gaming laptop??

you can see with your own eyes that your laptop still got some!

use it 'till crash and burn. new laptops will get cheaper next year...

get a new faster hard drive...

p.s.

happy thanksgiving everyone.

happy happy joy joy

PepsiMan

'garbage in garbage out'

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DocDaddy

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Nov 22, 2016 17:25

OK, let me be more specific about the decision I have to make:

Keeping my current Alienware M17x is not an option. It is failing in a lot of ways. So I have to replace it.

Because I am now traveling so much, I want to purchase a very light notebook with a very long battery life. There are a number of options I am looking at. For example:

Dell Precision 5510

Dell XPS 15

HP Spectre 15

All of this can come with an Intel i7 quad core CPU, with very long battery life (8+ hours,) and all are very light (the laptop I have now is huge, heavy at almost 10 pounds, has about 1 hour batter life, etc.)

So the only question I have is on the GPU.

For editing 1080p video files, do I need something better than an Intel 530 GPU? I can get an Intel 530 GPU on some of these, an Intel Iris on some, the Dell Precision comes with an nVideo Quadro M1000M GPU, and the XPS comes with the nVidea 960M GPU. I know the 960M is the best of those, but is it needed?

If, for example, an Intel 530 GPU will be just fine for editing 1080p video files (and I am not a professional) then my options are a lot more varied than if I need a higher end nVidia card. So that's my question,

Thanks

Quote your quest ? contained all those stuff.

skylake cpu, gtx1060 gpu, 16GB ram, 1080 FHD screen, etc...

this is your cpu ->

http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Core+i7-3840QM+%40+2.80GHz&id=900

skylake cpu -> http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Core+i7-6700HQ+%40+2.60GHz&id=2586

your gpu -> http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/gpu.php?gpu=GeForce+GTX+680MX&id=2356

gtx1060 -> http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/gpu.php?gpu=GeForce+GTX+1060&id=3548

hmmm.

what do they call your Alienware? gaming laptop??

you can see with your own eyes that your laptop still got some!

use it 'till crash and burn. new laptops will get cheaper next year...

get a new faster hard drive...

p.s.

happy thanksgiving everyone.

happy happy joy joy

PepsiMan

'garbage in garbage out'

SoNic67

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Nov 22, 2016 18:25

Laptops for editing are a bad fiancial decision. They will overheat, the lack of dedicated videocard will make it crawl... Why do you need to edit the videos while traveling? Enjoy the travel, leave the editing for when you are back at home, on a capable desktop.

DocDaddy

Member Joined: Jan 06, 2012 13:59 Messages: 58 Offline

Nov 22, 2016 18:52

Quote Laptops for editing are a bad fiancial decision. They will overheat, the lack of dedicated videocard will make it crawl... Why do you need to edit the videos while traveling? Enjoy the travel, leave the editing for when you are back at home, on a capable desktop.

I am on the road almost every week, often for a couple of weeks or more. Since I don't edit videos for a living, it's hard for me to justify buying a desktop PC in addition to my notebook just for video editing.

My Alienware M17x has actually served me well for quite a few years with PD 13 and 14, but it's dying fast.

Naisu

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Nov 22, 2016 23:02

Quote

Quote Laptops for editing are a bad fiancial decision. They will overheat, the lack of dedicated videocard will make it crawl... Why do you need to edit the videos while traveling? Enjoy the travel, leave the editing for when you are back at home, on a capable desktop.

I am on the road almost every week, often for a couple of weeks or more. Since I don't edit videos for a living, it's hard for me to justify buying a desktop PC in addition to my notebook just for video editing.

My Alienware M17x has actually served me well for quite a few years with PD 13 and 14, but it's dying fast.

My only advice is get the one with a dedicated GPU (GTX) rather than the integrated one (Intel HD) if you want to edit 1080p videos. The dedicated GPU can be as low as the 9xx series for power efficiency & performance and always update your driver.

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DocDaddy

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Nov 23, 2016 08:40

I think that is prudent. The only thing that makes me wonder whether I could possibly live with an on board Intel GPU is that my GPU on this machine - nVidia GTX 680m - appears to be unsupported by PD 14 and thus I've been using the on board Intel GPU for a couple of years - and that is a much less powerful GPU (HD 4000) than the Intel units these days (e.g. Intel HD 520 or 530.) And it's worked OK.

Does anyone have experience using an on board Intel HD 520 or 530 or Iris GPU with PD 15? Is PD 15 more GPU demanding that PD 14?

Quote

Quote Laptops for editing are a bad fiancial decision. They will overheat, the lack of dedicated videocard will make it crawl... Why do you need to edit the videos while traveling? Enjoy the travel, leave the editing for when you are back at home, on a capable desktop.

I am on the road almost every week, often for a couple of weeks or more. Since I don't edit videos for a living, it's hard for me to justify buying a desktop PC in addition to my notebook just for video editing.

My Alienware M17x has actually served me well for quite a few years with PD 13 and 14, but it's dying fast.

My only advice is get the one with a dedicated GPU (GTX) rather than the integrated one (Intel HD) if you want to edit 1080p videos. The dedicated GPU can be as low as the 9xx series for power efficiency & performance and always update your driver.

PepsiMan

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Nov 27, 2016 11:04

doc.

hope you had a nice thanksgiving.

use the info from the cpu benchmark.net to buy your next laptop.

now that you're better informed.

compare the cpu and gpu scores of your old and new one you're about to get...

higher the scores, generally faster the video rendering.

skylake, kabylake, scooter cannonball lake cpus are recommended for 4K video editing.

especially encoding and decoding HEVC H.265.

happy happy joy joy

PepsiMan

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DocDaddy

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Nov 27, 2016 11:15

Well, color me surprised. I assumed all the new CPUs such as the Skylake and Kaby Lake would be much faster than my 4 year old notebook CPU.

However -

My old notebook CPU = Intel Core i7-3630QM @ 2.40GHz - Passmark score = 7600

A representative new notebook CPU = Intel Core i7-7500U @ 2.70GHz - Passmark score = 5306.

How can a newest gen intel CPU be so much slower than the one in this old notebook????

Quote doc.

hope you had a nice thanksgiving.

use the info from the cpu benchmark.net to buy your next laptop.

now that you're better informed.

compare the cpu and gpu scores of your old and new one you're about to get...

higher the scores, generally faster the video rendering.

skylake, kabylake, scooter cannonball lake cpus are recommended for 4K video editing.

especially encoding and decoding HEVC H.265.

happy happy joy joy

PepsiMan

'garbage in garbage out'

tomasc

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Nov 27, 2016 12:31

Check out the Passmark scores for the i7-5500u, i7-6500u, i7-7500u and check out the number of cores they have and the max tdp also.

The i7-3600QM Passmark score =7600 and has 4 cores with hyperthreading and can draw 3 times the power consumption of the i7-7500u which only has 2 cores with hyperthreaing and the max TDP is 1/3 that of the older i7.

Check out the i7-7Y75 too for passmark score, number of cores, max TDP and other parameters. The battery in the newer laptops can last longer and be made lighter and better.

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DocDaddy

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Nov 27, 2016 13:47

Quote Check out the Passmark scores for the i7-5500u, i7-6500u, i7-7500u and check out the number of cores they have and the max tdp also.

The i7-3600QM Passmark score =7600 and has 4 cores with hyperthreading and can draw 3 times the power consumption of the i7-7500u which only has 2 cores with hyperthreaing and the max TDP is 1/3 that of the older i7.

Check out the i7-7Y75 too for passmark score, number of cores, max TDP and other parameters. The battery in the newer laptops can last longer and be made lighter and better.

Got it. So looking at light notebooks that do feature quad core i7s. looks like something like the i7-6820HQ is indeed faster, approximatel7 8700 on Passmark. TDP max is 45w, same as the one in my machine now, so I assume that results in lower battery life than the dual core systems.

PepsiMan

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Nov 27, 2016 17:43

hey doc, you got it.

yup, avoid single suffixes like U and M i7 mobile cpus.

HQ and HK is way to go.

p.s.

here's another notebookcheck.net

ref -> http://www.notebookcheck.net/Mobile-Processors-Benchmark-List.2436.0.html

happy happy joy joy

PepsiMan

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PepsiMan

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Jan 06, 2017 20:46

Quote My editing needs are pretty simple, I'm not a pro by any means. I'm typically taking HD videos from a variety of sources and editing them down to smaller clips, then combining those smaller clips into one video. Highest resolution I'm editing to is typically 1080p. I'll add music soundtracks and intersperse some titles into the finished video, but that's about it.

I'm currently using my old Alienware M17x laptop (I am on the road a LOT so a laptop is required) which has an nVidia GTX 680m, 16 Gig of system RAM, and the CPU is a 3 or 4 year old Intel i7-3630QM @2.40 GHz. I think that's a dual core CPU.

It works OK for my work, a bit slow but OK.

This old machine is now breaking down and I am going to buy a new notebook. Since I travel so much, lightweight and long battery life is everything. I'll be getting a 1920x1080 display (I don't yet like some of the ways Windows 10 scales the 4K screens) so I'll be editing again at those levels.

There are a lot of options, and on any of them I'll be using the i7 Skylake (or perhaps the next gen i7 Kaby Lake quad core) dual core CPUs. But what is holding me back on the various options is the video card.

I can get a laptop with the nVidia Geforce GTX 1060 with 6G of RAm, but I give up battery life and weight. I can also get systems with nVidia Quadro M1000M, or systems simply with an Intel HD 520 or Intel Iris GPUs.

Right now the GPU is what is holding me back on choosing a system. For what I do, will any of those GPUs be fine? Or are any of those graphics options going to be problematic?

Thanks very much.

happy year of the rooster.

finally the kaby lake is here. if you haven't bought one to replace your old one then recommend this one ->

http://www.ebay.com/itm/DELL-INSPIRON-7567-GAMING-LAPTOP-i7-7700HQ-8GB-DDR4-1TB-SSHD-GEFORCE-GTX-1050Ti-/332082868607?hash=item4d51ae717f:g:BjAAAOSwUgNXPJYt

or this one ->

http://www.ebay.com/itm/DELL-INSPIRON-7567-GAMING-LAPTOP-i7-7700HQ-16GB-512G-SSD-GEFORCE-GTX-1050Ti-UHD-/232197232611?hash=item36100897e3:g:BjAAAOSwUgNXPJYt

p.s.

skylake only do HEVC 8 bit 4.2.0 hardware decode/encode

kaby lake does HEVC 10 bit 4.2.2 and 8/10 bit VP9 hardware decode/encode!

happy happy joy joy

PepsiMan

'garbage in garbage out'

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'no bridge too far'

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DocDaddy

Member Joined: Jan 06, 2012 13:59 Messages: 58 Offline

Jan 07, 2017 09:51

Quote

Quote My editing needs are pretty simple, I'm not a pro by any means. I'm typically taking HD videos from a variety of sources and editing them down to smaller clips, then combining those smaller clips into one video. Highest resolution I'm editing to is typically 1080p. I'll add music soundtracks and intersperse some titles into the finished video, but that's about it.

I'm currently using my old Alienware M17x laptop (I am on the road a LOT so a laptop is required) which has an nVidia GTX 680m, 16 Gig of system RAM, and the CPU is a 3 or 4 year old Intel i7-3630QM @2.40 GHz. I think that's a dual core CPU.

It works OK for my work, a bit slow but OK.

This old machine is now breaking down and I am going to buy a new notebook. Since I travel so much, lightweight and long battery life is everything. I'll be getting a 1920x1080 display (I don't yet like some of the ways Windows 10 scales the 4K screens) so I'll be editing again at those levels.

There are a lot of options, and on any of them I'll be using the i7 Skylake (or perhaps the next gen i7 Kaby Lake quad core) dual core CPUs. But what is holding me back on the various options is the video card.

I can get a laptop with the nVidia Geforce GTX 1060 with 6G of RAm, but I give up battery life and weight. I can also get systems with nVidia Quadro M1000M, or systems simply with an Intel HD 520 or Intel Iris GPUs.

Right now the GPU is what is holding me back on choosing a system. For what I do, will any of those GPUs be fine? Or are any of those graphics options going to be problematic?

Thanks very much.

happy year of the rooster.

finally the kaby lake is here. if you haven't bought one to replace your old one then recommend this one ->

http://www.ebay.com/itm/DELL-INSPIRON-7567-GAMING-LAPTOP-i7-7700HQ-8GB-DDR4-1TB-SSHD-GEFORCE-GTX-1050Ti-/332082868607?hash=item4d51ae717f:g:BjAAAOSwUgNXPJYt

or this one ->

http://www.ebay.com/itm/DELL-INSPIRON-7567-GAMING-LAPTOP-i7-7700HQ-16GB-512G-SSD-GEFORCE-GTX-1050Ti-UHD-/232197232611?hash=item36100897e3:g:BjAAAOSwUgNXPJYt

p.s.

skylake only do HEVC 8 bit 4.2.0 hardware decode/encode

kaby lake does HEVC 10 bit 4.2.2 and 8/10 bit VP9 hardware decode/encode!

happy happy joy joy

PepsiMan

'garbage in garbage out'

Thanks, those are both good looking machines. The other one I'm looking at is the Dell Precision 5510 (now 5520 with the Kaby Lake upgrade) - it's the business version of the XPS 15, with reported better quality control and stability, very light (about 4 pounds,) quad core Kaby Lake CPU, batter life in the 8-10 hours range (doing low impact stuff.) I'll compare those - they look to be less expensive.

I think I'm giving up on an ultrabook, as they all seem to be using dual core "U" version Kaby Lake CPUs. If someone had run PD or Premiere Elements 15 on either one and it ran well (I have both) and it ran well, that would be another story.

Thanks