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Please Help with Fade / Transition Issue... Thanks
thesteved111 [Avatar]
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Whene I attempt to utilize the fade transition from one clip to the next, using a cross fade if I leave the setting on any longer than .10 the following frame sticks showing up as a frozen frame. I would like to do a more smooth slow transition from one edit to the next, but this issue prevents me from being able to to do this and for it to look natural or professional.

The default setting is for 2 full seconds so that would imply to me that a longer transition should be possible.



Hopefully someone can assist me with this issue and it is not a limitation of the software.



I am editing 4 sources of video from the multi cam editing feature of concert footage. On the slower tempo areas these smoother fades will be appropriate rather than cuts and quick fades but I can't seem to figure out how to get around this issue.



I am extremely appreciative in advance for any and all suggestions and advice with this..

Steve

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laserdoc [Avatar]
Member Location: atlanta,ga. Joined: Sep 24, 2015 06:43 Messages: 108 Offline
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I think Im having the same issue. When I transition between clips if I cross fade or is a preset I get a stuttering effect.
Can someone please look at this link and tell us why this is happening. On mine you can really see it when I fly over the geese near the end of the video. These are drone videos.
https://vimeo.com/173268323
ynotfish
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Hi laserdoc & thesteved111 -

@ laserdoc - I wouldn't be game to try to navigate mine indoors! (side note). Nice clips indeed.

Try switching your transition types to "Overlap" rather than "Cross" - you'll get a much smoother ride.

Steve - this may upset your camera sync from multicam if you're using multiple tracks. Overlap transitions decrease total duration of the project.



Cheers - Tony

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laserdoc [Avatar]
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I pull the camera off and mount it on a hand held steady grip
Would not try flying indoors. But what Im doing sure makes it look like that. Thanks Tony!! I will try the overlap on the next edit
tomasc [Avatar]
Senior Contributor Joined: Aug 25, 2011 12:33 Messages: 6464 Offline
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Laserdoc – That is an impressive 3 + minute video of that real estate with good music aside from the defects you mentioned. There appear to be hardware acceleration artifacts (black frames that appear as a flash) throughout the video and the house is frozen at 32 sec. momentarily caused by the use of a cross instead of an overlap transition. There can be no movement with that crossfade as the transition starts before the 2nd clip can be shown.

Not using hardware acceleration and hardware encoding and using overlap transition should help solve these problems.

Edit: I see Tony has answered while I was still typing. laughing

Correction of term.

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thesteved111 [Avatar]
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Thanks, I appreciate the reply!

If "overlap" throws the sync off of the audio that won't help as I need all 4 sources of the concert to stay in time with the audio file.

I use an independent audio source.



I watched a tutorial after I posted and it seems if I set the transition template for the following frame or preceding frame or edit and it can be scaled by percentage and that might help. I can then save that template.. I'm hoping that is not beyond my technical capabilities. Is anyone familiar with this process???



I have to have this project done for the band by the end of the week and all I have left are these transitions..

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tomasc [Avatar]
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Not sure of what you mean. Overlap transitions will reduce the total time on the timeline. You can remove the music, change the transitions, and then reapply the music.
thesteved111 [Avatar]
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Will it still be in sync though? Or will I have to edit the audio?



not sure I understand..
laserdoc [Avatar]
Member Location: atlanta,ga. Joined: Sep 24, 2015 06:43 Messages: 108 Offline
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Quote: Laserdoc – That is an impressive 3 + minute video of that real estate with good music aside from the defects you mentioned. There appear to be hardware acceleration artifacts (black frames that appear as a flash) throughout the video and the house is frozen at 32 sec. momentarily caused by the use of a crossfade instead of an overlap transition. There can be no movement with that crossfade as the transition starts before the 2nd clip can be shown.

Not using hardware acceleration and hardware encoding and using overlap transition should help solve these problems.

Edit: I see Tony has answered while I was still typing. laughing


I thought I read that I needed to have hardware accelertion and encoding checked in the general settings. I was having problems producing the video as it was taking a very long time and hang up on me. Should I uncheck these settings and try without??
tomasc [Avatar]
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According to the link you supplied that is a 3 min 20 sec produced video at 1080p not a 4K one. It should not take much longer to produce that 1080p 3 minute video. Try this: Uncheck both boxes in the Preferences/HA and produce without hardware encoding. After it finishes. Look at the elapsed time and let us know what it is now and what it is before with the hardware acceleration. You may need to purchases a better video card if the encoding times is significant.
tomasc [Avatar]
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thesteved111 – I was answering laserdoc not you. Not sure of your post at all. Multicam to me can mean 4 sources and 1 output. Sync by audio to me mean you can have the 4 video sources on 4 different tracks that are synced by powerdirector. You can place splits on whatever tracks you want and apply a transition on any track provided that they don’t overlap the end of the split clip on the same track. This of course doesn't work with Multicam by definition.

I can see where answering two different users with different timelines can be confusing.
laserdoc [Avatar]
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Quote: According to the link you supplied that is a 3 min 20 sec produced video at 1080p not a 4K one. It should not take much longer to produce that 1080p 3 minute video. Try this: Uncheck both boxes in the Preferences/HA and produce without hardware encoding. After it finishes. Look at the elapsed time and let us know what it is now and what it is before with the hardware acceleration. You may need to purchases a better video card if the encoding times is significant.


OK I'm processing know and will start the other one later. Will report back
laserdoc [Avatar]
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Quote: Hi laserdoc & thesteved111 -

@ laserdoc - I wouldn't be game to try to navigate mine indoors! (side note). Nice clips indeed.

Try switching your transition types to "Overlap" rather than "Cross" - you'll get a much smoother ride.

Steve - this may upset your camera sync from multicam if you're using multiple tracks. Overlap transitions decrease total duration of the project.



Cheers - Tony


Tony, where do I find the overlap option. It is not where I see the crossfade
laserdoc [Avatar]
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Quote: According to the link you supplied that is a 3 min 20 sec produced video at 1080p not a 4K one. It should not take much longer to produce that 1080p 3 minute video. Try this: Uncheck both boxes in the Preferences/HA and produce without hardware encoding. After it finishes. Look at the elapsed time and let us know what it is now and what it is before with the hardware acceleration. You may need to purchases a better video card if the encoding times is significant.


Steve, First off Im sorry I seem to be hijacking your thread. Thought we were have the same issue with the transition problems.

Tomasc,,,Had to restart my producing. It failed to upload to you tube and I had to start over again. When I built this computer about a year ago it seemed alot faster. the video card is a gforce 950,I5 processor,and 16MB of ram. I do know with hardware acceleration checked it was a little bit faster. Either way it is a good 3 hours to process
tomasc [Avatar]
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Quote: Tony, where do I find the overlap option. It is not where I see the crossfade


Laserdoc – There is no crossfade. I’ll address your concerns one at a time. Tony’s video explain the difference between the cross type which freezes the second clip for half of the transition time which is what we see 32 seconds into your real estate video. Both clips would be fluid if the overlap transition is used.

Highlight the transition on the timeline, click modify and you can then Select the transition behavior you want. Click the Overlap instead of the Cross icon. There is no crossfade.

Preferences/Editing/Set default transition behavior allows you to choose Overlap or Cross for your future transitions that you use.
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A general comment here if I may,

to thesteved111, the transition can be as long or short as you wish it to be. But, as you've noted from other comments here, the freezing come from using the "cross" effect instead of the "overlap". This has been somewhat of a disappointment for me, as I jumped from Power Director 8 Ultra, right up to PD14 Ultra, When I discovered the option, I thought: "yeah, this could be useful as it doesn't shorten the length of my overall video(beyond what I chop out)", but in using the cross effect and noting that freeze at the beginning and end of the transition effect, spoiled it for me, so I've now reverted to using the overlap instead. The other disappointment was that if I set "cross" as the default in preferences, the audio component had to be added afterward instead of being added automatically at the same time as the video component of the transition, thus adding to the editing workload for this "little black duck"(quack!).

To Laserdoc, when applying the transition, while it's highlighted, click on "modify". You'll see the choice between cross or overlap there.

For what they're worth, those are my thoughts on the matter of transitions, and for thesteved111, I generally have my transitions at 5 seconds duration, so you can have yours at any length you wish, you can even set your desired length as a default in preferences.

Cheers!

Neil.
tomasc [Avatar]
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Quote: Tomasc,,,Had to restart my producing. It failed to upload to you tube and I had to start over again. When I built this computer about a year ago it seemed alot faster. the video card is a gforce 950,I5 processor,and 16MB of ram. I do know with hardware acceleration checked it was a little bit faster. Either way it is a good 3 hours to process


3 minute of video taking 3 hours to create with hardware encoding is more than what most users can stand. It must be a very complex timeline to take that long for a 1080p video file. A 3 minute 1080p video could take 45 seconds to create with a different computer. See this post: http://forum.cyberlink.com/forum/posts/list/48751.page .

I'm sure that timeline is pretty complex.

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laserdoc [Avatar]
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ok guys, I going to start another thread on this subject. Just dont feel right in hijacking steves beginning question
My thread will be called transition overlapping with hardware accelerator
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