If you drop one video on the first timeline and the second one on the next video timeline down then highlight each one in turn and re-size and re-position them as required then that's job done.

If they both have an audio track, you may want to delete one or both audio tracks and add a new one otherwise you'll get a bit of a babble

p.s. - If you are new to video editing then you need to allow yourself some time for the learning curve. It's worth it in the long run.

Am I missing something here? Why not just use the Multi Cam Designer. A great tool that does a great and I believe would resolve your issue.

Quote: Am I missing something here?

Probably not . I've never claimed to be an expert or that I know the best way to do anything just that I know one way to achieve an end

There's 9 ways to 'skin a cat' ...(apologies cat lovers.. hey and I HAVE A CAT). Just saying Longedge's approach... it works, nothing wrong with it - and your suggestion the Multi-Cam designer... a good one too!

I think both approaches will have a little 'learning curve' associated with them <shrugs> ... it happens in PD.

It just depends on how the OP wants to attack the issue!

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Quote: If you drop one video on the first timeline and the second one on the next video timeline down then highlight each one in turn and re-size and re-position them as required then that's job done.

If they both have an audio track, you may want to delete one or both audio tracks and add a new one otherwise you'll get a bit of a babble

p.s. - If you are new to video editing then you need to allow yourself some time for the learning curve. It's worth it in the long run.

Not new to video editing have been using Microsoft Movie Maker for years but that only has single video.

I will have to learn PowerDirector 13 though as it looks much more advanced.

I have almost 500 vids on my Pinball Reviewer youtube channel.

And may post up some test videos using the dual screen/PIP.

Hello, PinballReviewerRepairs!

Clearly Longedge has the answer here! But don't be too quick to delete the audio just yet, as it will prove useful for synchronising the two video images. The images you use, and where you use them are your choice(a given exmample might be that the playing deck of the game may be on the main screen and the scoreboard in the PiP track, though you might opt for the other way round). The audio is your clue to synchronising the video. Before you even put the clips onto the timeline, view each separately in the libraey and listen for the sound picked up by each camera's microphone. The two cameras are pointed at different parts of the same game but are both picking up the same sound, so the first thing you'll hear is where you've pulled back, then released the plunger to set the first of three(or 5, in some cases) balls into play.... I used to love playing pinball machines! That sound, when matched with the same sound on the other clip, will cue everything up neatly for you when you put the clips on the timeline.

Once you've got the two clips synchronised, you can either, mute or unlink then delete the audio from the clip(either main screen or PiP) that you don't need, it's the same sound anyway, though picked up by the microphones of two different cameras.

Hope this is of some help to you.

Cheers!

Neil.

Quote: Not new to video editing have been using Microsoft Movie Maker for years but that only has single video.
I will have to learn PowerDirector 13 though as it looks much more advanced.

I just saw that you had newly installed PD and thought you might be new to video editing . You're right in saying that PD is more advanced (and capable) than the software you've been using although I know it provides a very useful first step for lots of people.

We all learn in different ways (some 'experts' have identified at least 7 different ones I'm told) but for myself I need to have done it, made a hash of it, wondered and pondered and finally with a bit of prodding in the right direction sorted it out for myself.

I try to give a clue as to the way to progress rather than a complete solution because that's what I prefer to receive when I'm having a problem. Not what everybody wants or gives but thankfully we're all different aren't we

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Quote: Not new to video editing have been using Microsoft Movie Maker for years but that only has single video.
I will have to learn PowerDirector 13 though as it looks much more advanced.

I just saw that you had newly installed PD and thought you might be new to video editing . You're right in saying that PD is more advanced (and capable) than the software you've been using although I know it provides a very useful first step for lots of people.

We all learn in different ways (some 'experts' have identified at least 7 different ones I'm told) but for myself I need to have done it, made a hash of it, wondered and pondered and finally with a bit of prodding in the right direction sorted it out for myself.

I try to give a clue as to the way to progress rather than a complete solution because that's what I prefer to receive when I'm having a problem. Not what everybody wants or gives but thankfully we're all different aren't we

Yeah that is cool.

I have only had PD for a few days so I am new to the program.

I did do a test video with dual videos but did not save it.

But I think I might do it again and save it and upload the test to my yt.

It was not to hard to do but for the actual PIP videos I'll have to sync up the vids.

I am thinking just a simple hand clap at the starting to synce up the vids sound.

Quote: Hello, PinballReviewerRepairs!

Clearly Longedge has the answer here! But don't be too quick to delete the audio just yet, as it will prove useful for synchronising the two video images. The images you use, and where you use them are your choice(a given exmample might be that the playing deck of the game may be on the main screen and the scoreboard in the PiP track, though you might opt for the other way round). The audio is your clue to synchronising the video. Before you even put the clips onto the timeline, view each separately in the libraey and listen for the sound picked up by each camera's microphone. The two cameras are pointed at different parts of the same game but are both picking up the same sound, so the first thing you'll hear is where you've pulled back, then released the plunger to set the first of three(or 5, in some cases) balls into play.... I used to love playing pinball machines! That sound, when matched with the same sound on the other clip, will cue everything up neatly for you when you put the clips on the timeline.

Once you've got the two clips synchronised, you can either, mute or unlink then delete the audio from the clip(either main screen or PiP) that you don't need, it's the same sound anyway, though picked up by the microphones of two different cameras.

Hope this is of some help to you.

Cheers!

Neil.

Sounds good thanks!

Quote: I am thinking just a simple hand clap at the starting to synce up the vids sound.

Hi, PinballReviewerRepairs!

The handclap is a very good method of synchronising both cameras' shots(akin to a clapper-board). Make the handclap loud enough that both cameras' microphones pick it up with reasonably the same level and you can very accurately synchroniseyour clips(should've thought of that one myself, though not always possible if one shot is from my camera and the other comes from a friend's camera, but I have my own method of working around that situation).

Cheers!

Neil

Thought I would share this awesome PIP pinball machine video with you awesome helpers!

I got them sync very well for my first try.
Let me know what you think of the syncing.

The pinball machine I am playing is called Hee Haw by Chicago Coin and is a Electro-Mechanical pin.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7J-2rOKgVvo

Looking good the sync seems spot on to me.



p.s. - I imagine you'll be looking at other things now. I like to put a colorboard or plain image at ~50% opacity behind text to make it more legible whilst still being able to see the underlying video. Forgive me if I'm jumping your gun

Quote: Looking good the sync seems spot on to me.



p.s. - I imagine you'll be looking at other things now. I like to put a colorboard or plain image at ~50% opacity behind text to make it more legible whilst still being able to see the underlying video. Forgive me if I'm jumping your gun

Thanks!

It did take some time to figure out the syncing but I used my hyper sensitive hearing and went there is the que.

And then just a matter of backing it up a few frames.

You'll get a little 'echo' or reverb if the delay between the two audio tracks are in the ... what is it(?) 50 - 200 ms (milli-seconds) range I think. But like you said, then just start moving one of the tracks some number of frames until close, then one or two frames at a time and you 'get it' close enough.

Nicely done (and I haven't even seen your result yet - need to let my 'data allotment' renew in a few days before I view it.)

But I'll say 'nicely done' now anyway.

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Hi, PinballReviewerRepairs!

Just watched your clip, brilliantly done! Well synchronised too! Didn't even get that delay effect in the audio that CS2014 warned of. Probably only one comment I'd make here, you've used the hand-clap to synchronise the two parts of your clip, but once that's done, there's no real need for the hand-clap to be in the video itself. Move the scrupper to a point after where the hands disappear, then split both parts together at that point(assuming playing deck is on the Video track 1 and the scoreboard is on Video track 2), then delete the parts before the split. Put it this way, when we're wathing a movie, the pro's don't keep those clapper-boards in the picture, do they? That bit of film, once it's served its purpose, ends up on the cutting-room floor!

Still, again I say, great work!(watching reminded me of the ones I used to play as a kid.... ah, memories!)

Cheers!

Neil.

P.S. - first attempt to post went awry - copied text to clipboard, pasted to new reply panel, fingers crossed, hope it works this time.... Heaving big sigh of relief, it worked!

Quote: Hi, PinballReviewerRepairs!

Just watched your clip, brilliantly done! Well synchronised too! Didn't even get that delay effect in the audio that CS2014 warned of. Probably only one comment I'd make here, you've used the hand-clap to synchronise the two parts of your clip, but once that's done, there's no real need for the hand-clap to be in the video itself. Move the scrupper to a point after where the hands disappear, then split both parts together at that point(assuming playing deck is on the Video track 1 and the scoreboard is on Video track 2), then delete the parts before the split. Put it this way, when we're wathing a movie, the pro's don't keep those clapper-boards in the picture, do they? That bit of film, once it's served its purpose, ends up on the cutting-room floor!

Still, again I say, great work!(watching reminded me of the ones I used to play as a kid.... ah, memories!)

Cheers!

Neil.

P.S. - first attempt to post went awry - copied text to clipboard, pasted to new reply panel, fingers crossed, hope it works this time.... Heaving big sigh of relief, it worked!

Yeah I should cut those out but was using the clap as I can use the hand motions to get it almost perfect.

What I may do is have my hands pulling away at the end of the clap in both videos.

The versus on my Space Mission EM is done with the clap still in as well but I can see that being anoying to most.

I played two games with my employee.

Space Mission 1976 EM.

Hi, PinballReviewerRepairs!

Yep! The hand-claps are effectively like the clapper board in the days of film when audio had to be recorded separately, one its purpose is served, it's no longer needed. The visual clues are useful though, that's how I line up two shots from different angles of a steam loco arriving or departing a station(when combining my camera shots with those of a friend), the video and audio cues help me line up the two clips so they mesh together neatly. I have another part of that trick that helps but it's somewhat involved and takes a lot of explaining so I'll leave it for another post.

Cheers!

Neil.