If you're distributing for free, I don't see how you could collect royalties.



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Hello, Juan,
would you like to go on with your idea? Music is a common topic here with copyright, fees, license, Youtube flagging.
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Quote: Hello, Juan,
would you like to go on with your idea? Music is a common topic here with copyright, fees, license, Youtube flagging.
I visited your site, you have an impressive biography.

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Yes, but my music has been performed mainly (99,9%) in concerts and my plan/wish/idea is that it begins to appear more in films, movies, videos. It is about exposure, but not only. It would be sad if a video with my music in a monetised chanel gets, say, 10m views and I get zero royalties. Until now, it is a large question mark for me. Surely I am trying other ways, in other "ligas" but why not also the world of the self-made video? (and I am NOT saying amateur video!)

I am aware of the youtube flagging issue. There are music libraries that even say "if your music participates in the youtube ID content programm, don't sell it through us" because clients get annoyed. Their (YT's) system is not perfect because they do "as if" they were the only instance in the world using music and -sorry google/youtube- you are not alone in the universe. I strongly believe in the idea of water-marking music, but not in their (exclusive) way. It serves as identification, which is a HUGE issue in the music world.

The only thing I know is that if the music is uploaded through a so-called aggregator, you might get royalties even if you do not participate in the youtube-content system. But is not the case here at DirectorZone.

And of course, if you are the composer of the music (not only the performer/musician), you should get royalties through your Performing Rights Society (such as ASCAP in the US or GEMA in Germany) - but... -and I come back to the question- are there experiences here at PowerDirector of music generating revenue? Until now, it seems to me there is not much experience in the subject, i.e. I am not alone with big question marks :

A last word for the previous comment (by jcardana): when you offer your music for free, what you are doing is autorising the person to use it for free, i.e. licensing it without cost. You are saying "you may use it, and my consent doesn't cost you a cent".

Royalties are another thing, completeley different. For instance, if your film with my music comes in TV and 50 millions persons see it, the TV-station pays royalties to the Performing Rights Society, and this PRO pays me (or whoever composed the music). In this case, the TV station is paying for the right to broadcast the music (included in the film), not for the right to INCLUDE it in the film.

I don't know whether my explanation is well done...

In a smaller dimension, if the film/video comes in youtube, it SHOULD generate revenue (and it actually does, because there ARE advertisements on youtube, either of the owner of the chanel or from YT itself). So: how to collect it?

Just for sake: it goes without saying that I am not claiming that you -the film maker- should pay these royalties. NO. You shouldn't and you can't. It is always the end broadcaster who pays these kind of royalties (TV Station, webradio, etc.). Experiences? Where are the other musicians at DirectorZone? : "Lack of concentration poisons talent" - JMS

Hi Jaun I found your last post very interesting and infomative. I find the whole issue very confusing and as a result I am very cautious about using "free" music. I have made several videos of an educational nature and these are being used as school resources. I made it clear to the composers of the music that I would not be making any money out of the videos and that they were purely educational. Recently it was suggested that perhaps they were good enough to offer to a local TV company. Although this is very flattering it does scare me. Presumably I would have to go back to the composers and explain that things had changed. I am making the videos as a hobby so I am not in a position to pay for a licence AND no doubt lawyer's fees! So I reckon they will remain with a niche educational audience.

I am pretty sure there will be quite a few users of this forum who feel the same.

Nigel

Frustrating: I wrote a really long answer to Nigel ("quick answer" is having issues?) and it is not there. "Lack of concentration poisons talent" - JMS

Again but short:

If I were the composer of that film I would be glad if it gets shown on TV, since I would have both exposure and royalties (from the TV station).

My advise: re-negotiate the conditions with the composer(s) involved. They cannot be a lot, aren't they?

Worst case: replace the music you are not allowed to use in the new version. And make sure that your paperwork is OK with the new composer(s) as well as with the old ones, of course.

Does it make sense?

Juan María "Lack of concentration poisons talent" - JMS

Hello, Juan and everyone!

I assure you I'm NOT off-topic on this but a very similar situation to this had occured on a British television series, originally titled "Old Dogs, New Tricks", title later amended simply to "New Tricks". In the very first series, one of the co-stars, Dennis Waterman, sang the Traveling Wilburys song, End Of The Line, the episodes with this theme had already gone to air, even here in Australia, but Warner Music, owner of the mechanical(and possibly sheet music) rights to the song, "flagged" it, and as a result, a new intro and closing credits theme had to be "retro-fitted" to those early episodes, the new song, End Of The Day, co-written by Dennis Waterman(talented dude, ain't he?) was slotted in, in place of the other song, problem solved.

Copyrights in music is a minefield when it comes to putting music into video clips. The only ones who really benefit in such actions are the lawyers with their humungous(read: excessive) fees! I've effectively been "scared off" posting on YouTube because of this, so anything I produce goes straight to DVD for family and friends to view. If I use music, it may well be commercially-made, (instrumental hits from the 1950s to the 1980s) but the DVDs are for private viewing(family & friends). I just don't need or want any of the legal grief.

Cheers!

Neil.

Basically, you have these possibilities:

• no music


• you compose the music yourself (and perform it record it)


• you get a license from a composer that you personally know (and do some paperwork anyway)


• you go to a website where you can license music first hand, one-stop (i.e. the guys own the rights and allow you to use it)


• you record a "cover" of some other person's composition (ask for permission BEFORE)


• you use a commercial recording from a CD (problems guaranteed)

"Lack of concentration poisons talent" - JMS