No plug-in, just standalone.

Jeff

What are the implications? How can I invoke it? And get the result back?

Quote: What are the implications? How can I invoke it? And get the result back?

You create the title in the standalone app and export the video of the created title for use in PD. It would be similar to running the "Titler Pro 1.0" provided with PD from the standalone app located at "C:\Program Files (x86)\NewBlue\Titler Pro for Windows\TitlerStandalone.exe" except there are a lot more improvements, output formats....on and on.

NewBlue should have a trial if interested.

Jeff

Waiting for the download link. So far, I can't easily imagine the workflow - just imagine tweaking the subtitles and the need to export the video, import into library, put again on the timeline. I will see, how tiresome it is in comparison to the plugin.

Thanks for all your help!

Sorry to bump the topic, but after hacking few things around a bit, I managed PD14 to work with the latest Titler Pro 4.

PD basically uses small wrapper DLL to launch a titler. Via some Windows registry changes, I substituted Titler Pro 1 by the latest version.

It actually can start the new Titler Pro 4, but the SW somehow recongises it and generates a watermark cross, which can't be removed.

It is really a shame, that CL did not upgrade the plugin and is not part of other 10 systems, which actually can work with the NewblueFX Titler Pro 4.

I just wonder, if we would bug tech support enough, if they would be able to update a plugin wrapper?

It's NewBlue's call, I believe if enough users complain to them, they will consider to support PowerDirector with new Titler Pro. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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The hack is brilliant, at least to a non-tech such as myself.
If it could work properly I would even upgrade to Titler 4, but I'll bet I could get Titler 3 for cheap if I looked around.
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The upgrade price (yes, having the plugin applies) plus the Black Friday discount made around 98 EUR, so I applied. While the Titler can be run, the result is not stable and of course the watermark is the problem.

I contacted NewBlue tech support asking, if there is any chance the plugin wrapper gets updated.

I just paid around £90 for Titler Pro 4, so glad it was a holiday discount, would have been a bit freaked out to say the least had I paid the full amount (around $300 US). What is the problem with this? It doesn't appear in my Powerdirector 14? I have to go to a standalone version and then export a finished file which I then import to Powerdirector... That is such a pain. It costs so much money even at discount and I can't use it directly in Powerdirector! I actually enjoy using the 1.0 version which comes free with PD14 and get some great titles with it. So impressed I bought the 4.0 version. Now this is such a let down!



They clearly don't think much of PD as a video editor! Is there any way to get this working within PD14? Seems like I've just wasted £90!!!

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Watermark can't be removed. And my "hack" is not a proper solution anyway, it does not work as expected, it was just a proof, that the solution would not be difficult to get supported.

In the meantime, I have contacted CL tech support, and the answer was, that I would have to contact NewBlueFX. I did so, but never got proper/direct response, just a pointer to the list of supported NLEs.

If more users would create a push to both companies, someone could do it. My "hack" above just proved, that the solution should be quite easy, as the wrapper DLL already exists.

But - you know companies. I already expressed, that if it does not work with CL, I don't buy anything else from NewBlue FX. Or I need to switch to different NLE than PowerDirector.

If you use NLE for commercial work you shouldn't use PowerDirector anyway, it's not licensed for commercial use of h264 or h265 video formats, regardless of encapsulation (mp4, mkv).
The only license free for commercial use in this program is for the WMV.

I would look to something like Edius Pro 8 that is supported by NewBlue.

Also, for personal use only, Black Magic DaVinci Resolve has a free license (with some limitations) and it is supported by NewBlue. But is a very different NLE workflow.

Corel has a NewBlue TitlerEX, but again, is not a software for commercial use either.

Why can't Cyberlink push the company to integrate this software? It can't be that difficult. Some of us are only working in the amateur fields, and can't afford to be splashing out hundreds and even thousands for a new 'NLE'. Besides I like Cyberlink as it's fairly easy to use. Now I have a Titler Pro 4 that has sneaked in a bunch of its templates into my Cyberlink which are for what reason? To tempt me into buying new packs? If it can sneak in through the back door a bunch of effects, transitions and templates why can't it just integrate the entire package so I can use it within Powerdirector? I paid for it! Why has it added stuff (after I installed Titler Pro 4) that's useless because it's watermarked? DaVinci Resolve is £20,000 !! Are you serious? The other NLE mentioned is almost £400!! I can't afford to be paying such sums of money for home movies! C'mon Cyberlink, support your customers! I supported you buying your products!

Well, this is a business, but on the other hand, total amateurish aproach - so CL releases Titler Pro 1 as a bonus plugin, but is not able to negotiate newer versions? As I already proven, it almost works by a simple user hack. It would take a programmer few hours to adapt to the new version.

Hey - release the wrapper DLL and I will manage to tweak it, I am more an IT guy, than a videographer or photographer, I just run small studio here as a hobby :

That said, I don't give a s..t, if CL is a professional NLE or not - I am not going to invest into any new NLE, just because someone is lazy to do something about it. Brian - have you tried to bug CL or NewBlueFX about the support? :

Dear -pekr-

Sorry I haven't 'bugged' either of them, well, not directly. I kind of thought this forum might have some connections to the aforementioned companies. I do see a 'Cyberlink' logo top left of the screen. It looks real, I did connect to it through a link on the Cyberlink Powerdirector programme which I use so it all looks real.... Surely there are some moderators on here that have some connection to the company? Doest it still exist? Who knows in this modern day who the 'ell I'm connecting to or sending my money to.... I might be paying for any sort of ..... Ok sorry British humour.

I just want a fair deal. Is that too much to ask? They seem to think bombarding me (before Xmas) with this deal, that deal and the next deal is 'fair' game (and both companies have done this). Is it too much now that I've paid my cash, followed the highly professional ads and stumped up the money that I get some support here?? Well, maybe not, after all, money talks, BS walks as they say. And the little guy (me) is part of the BS. I wasn't kidding in my previous post, Da-Vinci whatever it's called £20,000!!!

I just don't have that kind of money. Nor do I want to spend months learning some new process to make a video of my grandkids jumping through hoops. If I may offer some praise here, Cyberlink Powerdirector does a fine job of that, kids jumping through hoops and the like. Me looking like the overweight grandad that I am. I'm 62 years old! I've been using Cyberlink for years, literally years. Many moons ago I tried Corel and Pinaccle and Ulead and Proshow and well, a bunch of them. Crashing, blue screens yeah that was great fun. Cyberlink works well, has a noobie easy to use interface but manages what I consider fairly proffesional results. I'm not with the BBC so I couldn't comment how good or bad my videos are.

I agree with -pekr-. It's beyond time someone in this company does something to help and move beyond amateur! It is NOT professional to offer a package that PARTLY infiltrates YOUR (CYBERLINK) programme but doesn't allow you to use the parts added! That is unbelievable!!!! Do YOU (CYBERLINK) know that's what it does? AND YOU ALLOW THIS? Titler 4 after installation threw a bunch of its parts into my powerdirector!!! I didn't give it permission to do that! Now its a BIG MESS. I don't know which transisions are new, (some have the SAME NAME) and in fact it has increased my time spent which I did not ask for! Is this transition new, will a watermark appear, is this template new, will a watermark appear, is this effect new... that is a rediculous position to be in. I have to go back and forward figuring out which one is the real one?

THIS IS ABSURD. Why (as -pekr- pointed out) take on a partner (NewBLUEFX) who then sh**s all over you? How many people, not as savvy or computer literate as myself are going to pay for titler 4 to find out that it is NO USE as an addon because it doesn't integrate!!! Well actually it DOES PARTLY. It sneaks a few bits in (with watermark).... well if it can do that it can EASILY sneak in THE REST. It is absolutely NO PROBLEM (and as -pekr- pointed out would take one of their IT experts 10 minutes). Guess what..... ah well we should have known, MONEY TALKS. Cyberlink didn't want to pay for the integration? Then why integrate AT ALL?

Don't give me "Oh well you should have tried the free version first" BS. After sticking highly proffesional video ads in my face and keeping the free version in super duper small print. Oh well,I should have known better than to be duped by the ads. Can't you see that your programmes are clearly considered small fry/amateur/ by these actions? Do you think I'll get my £90 back from NewBlueFX ... no chance. The absurdity is the fact that to integrate this programme is a ten minute job. For any IT professional. Shame. Shame on you for being the little company with the big ambitions who failed to help its customers.

Get your act together Cyberlink. Put some pressure on these cowboys! They're using YOUR CUSTOMERS to suck into their software. Don't throw the job back in our faces, it's YOUR software that's being exploited!!! Can't you see that?

Just to stay correct - how did Titler Pro 4 mess with your PD installation? It did not mess with mine in any way.

This forum is owned by Cyberlink, but very few members are employees or contractors for the company, nearly every member here is a volunteer, including me. That being said I must admit I do not understand why the Titler has not yet been offered as a purchase because much of New Blue's other wares are now compatible with PowerDirector, it just seems to follow that the full Titler would be available to buy. Maybe PD 15... HP Envy Phoenix/4thGen i7-4770(4@3.4GHz~turbo>3.9)
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BarryTheCrab & -Pekr-"it just seems to follow that the full Titler would be available to buy.""how did Titler Pro 4 mess with your PD installation?"It is available to buy, I bought it for £90 on a Xmas sale (around £240 full price). Isn't that what we're talking about here? I bought it. I installed it. But it didn't integrate into my PD14. Unless you're talking about Cyberlink purchasing it for FULL use in PowerDirector. Which I'm sure will be a tad more than its retail $300.

Well, that's not quite true. It partly integrated. In my Titler 1.0 new folders appeared which have various options inside, some which I have already (in the 'Starter Packs') and some which are exclusive to Titler 4.0. But they aren't useable because they are watermarked.If you open Titler 4.0 as a standalone (which it is) the options are all there WITHOUT the watermark. There are still some options in Titler 4.0 which are watermarked under the 'Add-Ons' section which are to tempt you into buying some additional packs.

Anyway the proof of its possible integration is clearly there. It is already partly integrated in my PD14 but basically un-useable because of the watermark. It's a bit weird to make you pay top dollar for a product that you would buy for the specific purpose of using in a programme it was made to compliment, partly integrate it, but make the parts un-useable. Something like having lights in a car that don't switch on, or similar.

Bottom line is I now have a programme which I will probably hardly ever use because of all the hassle of having to export a '.mov' file from there and then separately import it into PD14, which makes it un-editable. And it cost me £90!! And what's their response... "Oh you should have used the trial version first". I'm fairly sure that is all bordering on un-ethical practice. It is certainly BAD business practice. Annoying your customers is BAD business practice. I won't ever buy any of their products again (NewBlue) and to be honest I'm a bit miffed at Cyberlink also.

Why did they integrate an 'add on' that was never going to be upgradeable? And advertise it within their ads for Powerdirector? Oh our new car has these super duper lights but next MOT they wont be upgraded. ?? Anyway perhaps you get the picture and it's strange to say the least. Especially when money has exchanged hands.

As -pekr- said, one of the Newblue IT experts could probably sort this integration problem in 20 minutes of his time with a little bit of code. It's already half done! So what's the reason it doesn't integrate into PD14 NOW? I would guess at 'money'. Money talks. Cyberlink hasn't paid for the integration (or something).

Anyway hope this answers your questions. Disappointed I have to say, and I thought Cyberlink were such a nice company with all their free 'Director zone' templates etc. But this is an unfair arrangement because money has been exchanged, and for me a fair bit of money. For something I can't really use...

Yes Barry this may be a volunteer service but if Cyberlink pay for this website then someone somewhere MONITORS it. Otherwise it would be vulnerable to spam etc. So if you're watching Cyberlink... DO SOMETHING to sort this out. Don't throw it back in my face. It's your software and your software partner. And your customers are being exploited.

How do you start TitlerPro 4 from the PD? I can see only Titler Pro 1 in the Titles section.