Quote: I know that this might sound daft but is their anyway i can change my 16:9 footage to 3:2 so i get the black bars without cropping or adding title bars?

I'm puzzled on what you are really asking. Could you add a paint sketch on how you would like your 16:9 footage displayed as 3:2, I assume on a 16:9 frame?

Strictly speaking there is no way to turn a 16:9 frame to 3:2 without cropping/zooming/distorting as they are not multiples of each other, but your desire maybe something different.

Jeff

Hi Simon -

Jeff's right. There'll be distortion unless you crop or mask.

Whatever you do, it will be rendered in a 16:9 frame.



Cheers - Tony
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Hello, SimonW55668!

You could try making up a mask in Microsoft Paint! Open up Paint on your computer, set the Properties(size: width 32cm; height 18 cm - which is twice the numbers in aspect ratio terms, then do a bit of mathematical calculation to determine how har in from left and right each black bar should be, pull up a line drawing tool and draw a vertical line from top to bottom and fill the area left of the line with black. And to get a matching width on the opposite side, reduce the viewing size on screen(this will not vary the dimension, it simply allows you to see the whole image at once), select the copying tool(represented as a square with a dashed border) and "copy the left-side of the image into clipboard, flip the entire image left-for-right, then paste from clipboard, you have your mask! This can then be inserted on a PiP track in your project.

Hope that's of some use.

Cheers!

Neil

What I am after is to find out if it is possible to shoot film and NOT have to add bars to the top and bottom when editing of which cuts into the frame. Other ways do sort it which isn't that bad until you have a circle then it magically turns into an egg,lol.

SimonW55668,

I'm not sure there's ever been such an aspect ratio! We started out with the 4:3 aspect ratio, known officially as "Academy", in its earliest days, monochrome and (sssshhhhh!) silent!!!(whispers), then came sound and colour. then came wide-screen, first 16:9, which was then adopted for digital TV broadcasting. then cinema went a step further to 20:9. But 3:2 aspect? I honestly don't believe such a beast exists.

Cheers!

Neil.

Ok, cheers anyway. Looks

Powerdirector and most video editors are geared toward the TV aspect ratios. (16:9 or 4:3). Film on the other hand has many different aspect ratios. 3:2 Or 1.5:1 is the aspect ratio of 35 mm film. Movies vary all over the place.

So if you have a film that is some aspect ratio other then 16:9 or 4:3, you will have to do something to make the odd aspect ratio fit into a TV aspect ratio.

Broadcasters have been doing various things to make old movies fit TV screens for years. Carl312: Windows 10 64-bit 8 GB RAM,AMD Phenom II X4 965 3.4 GHz,ATI Radeon HD 5770 1GB,240GB SSD,two 1TB HDs.

Hi, Carl!

Funny about that! I saw episodes of "I Dream Of Jeannie"(Larry Hagman & Barbara Eden), clearly shot in 4:3 but I saw eps on a local TV station in 16:9 and they did NOT look like they've been "raiding the fridge"(having a "pig-out", stuffing themselves, looking decidedly "fat" ha-ha). What gets me is how they did it. There's only a tiny extra amount of image on either side of that which is on the screen which, on old sets, the horizontal hold control could reveal if tweaked, which, at a pinch might expand to 14:9, but 16:9? Hmmmm! A touch of the old "Harry Potter" going on here, methinks!

Cheers!

Neil.

Quote: Hi, Carl!

Funny about that! I saw episodes of "I Dream Of Jeannie"(Larry Hagman & Barbara Eden), clearly shot in 4:3 but I saw eps on a local TV station in 16:9 and they did NOT look like they've been "raiding the fridge"(having a "pig-out", stuffing themselves, looking decidedly "fat" ha-ha). What gets me is how they did it. There's only a tiny extra amount of image on either side of that which is on the screen which, on old sets, the horizontal hold control could reveal if tweaked, which, at a pinch might expand to 14:9, but 16:9? Hmmmm! A touch of the old "Harry Potter" going on here, methinks!

Cheers!

Neil.

Maybe a little playing with the type of image stretch. powerdirector offers a CLPV stretch mode that does not make the image or people look 'fat'. I am sure broadcasters have that or better.

There is also a 'pan and scan' that crops out the middle of the image and displays that portion that fills the 16:9 screen. That method also does not stretch the image making people look fat. Carl312: Windows 10 64-bit 8 GB RAM,AMD Phenom II X4 965 3.4 GHz,ATI Radeon HD 5770 1GB,240GB SSD,two 1TB HDs.

This illustrates the difference between using Stretch & CLPV when using "Set Image Stretch Mode".

Stretch - image/clip is stretched evenly CLPV - central part of image/clip is less distorted & edges are stretched progressively (most obvious on the 4:4 > 16:9 example)



Simon - even though many DSLRs shoot stills in 3:2, I don't know of any that shoot video in that AR. Some tablet type devices have 3:2 screens, but TVs? monitors?

Cheers - Tony
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Hi Carl and Ynotfish(Tony)!

CLPV ay? Hmmmm..... I've got quite a lot of old analogue-sourced 4:3 A.R. material tucked away on one of my external hard-drives. I just might give CLPV the ol' "suck it and see" test to see what it does.

Cheers!

Neil.

Windows Media Center has that kind of "zoom":

Hi, Carl & Tony!

I tried out CLPV on an old clip and I'm much impressed! Looks like I'll have a job ahead of me to convert some of my old Hi-8 stuff(shot in 4:3) into 16:9 using this method.

Cheers!

Neil.

Quote: Hi, Carl & Tony!

I tried out CLPV on an old clip and I'm much impressed! Looks like I'll have a job ahead of me to convert some of my old Hi-8 stuff(shot in 4:3) into 16:9 using this method.

Cheers!

Neil.

It works but the edges are stretched. Some scenes it is noticeable.

I would just watch the 4:3 stuff in 4:3 with the black on the sides. Modern TVs do not have any issue with displaying a 4:3 in the middle of the screen. Carl312: Windows 10 64-bit 8 GB RAM,AMD Phenom II X4 965 3.4 GHz,ATI Radeon HD 5770 1GB,240GB SSD,two 1TB HDs.

Hi, Carl!

I've not long ago converted an old 4:3 clip to 16:9, even used the stabilising function and some image enhancement, It's brought the clip up quite nicely, thank you. Of course it would be obvious that the clip was analogue-sourced, but none-the-less it still scrubbed up well. I can use this now process to match up my old content with my newer digital-shot stuff and neither will look out-of-place against the other if I were to make a compilation DVD of my works.

Cheers!

Neil.

Quote: Hi, Carl!

I've not long ago converted an old 4:3 clip to 16:9, even used the stabilising function and some image enhancement, It's brought the clip up quite nicely, thank you. Of course it would be obvious that the clip was analogue-sourced, but none-the-less it still scrubbed up well. I can use this now process to match up my old content with my newer digital-shot stuff and neither will look out-of-place against the other if I were to make a compilation DVD of my works.

Cheers!

Neil.

Yes, of course if you are cleaning up and want a permanent recording, you would do everything to make the video play nice.

I thought of another technique that I sometimes do, with the project aspect ratio set to 16:9, you can place a color board on track 1, then the 4:3 video on track 2 without stretching it. You get color showing on the sides with the 4:3 video playing in the center. Carl312: Windows 10 64-bit 8 GB RAM,AMD Phenom II X4 965 3.4 GHz,ATI Radeon HD 5770 1GB,240GB SSD,two 1TB HDs.

Hi, Carl!

I actually tried the colour board, some time back(while still using PD7). The idea is also useful if your placing old 4:3 content over a newer 16:9 clip(example, a video of your children, now as adults, shot on 16:9 digital, with an older clip, shot on an analogue camera in 4:3 say, 20 years ago showing them as children) No "motion tracker" here, just a simple overlay, present in main screen, past on PiP screen. Just an idea that entered my head as I typed this.

Cheers!

Neil.