I'm sure not an expert but I've had some success when I edited my Go Pro video clips in Go Pro Studio and then imported to PD 12. However, the very last batch I tried didn't import well. I just got a green screen so I upgraded to PD 13 and the video comes over well but I'm not getting any audio with it.

Quote: Hi all,

Just wondering if I may get any assistance with regards to exporting my GOPRO3 footage with PD13. When I export my footage there is always significant loss of quality. Is it even possible to get exactly the same quality as the original Gopro footage I had after exporting? By degradation I mean the video is no longer crisp and sharp but blotchy and details are lost.

I have read some of the forums responses to similar issues like mine and tried what they have suggested. I've changed all export settings to how my footage was shot eg. 1920x1080, 59.75fps etc as this was how I shot with the GORPRO and still there is a large degree of degradation!

Please if anyone could help that would be great! I am a novice video editor playing around with the program with video I've taken of my fishing and motorcycling adventures. Although I've had PD for several years and have just put up with it, It's started to bug me I cant use my GOPRO3 and PD13 to its full potential!

Thanks in advance guys for any suggestions, cheers!



Allan

1920x1080 59.75fps (maybe 59.94fps) overall says very little about replicating the clarity of our source footage during PD "Produce" operation. You can:
1) Use "Intelligent SVRT" at the top of the PD "Produce" page and see if PD can suggest a reasonable profile that may improve your results.
2) Attach a raw 5-7 second clip directly from the GOPRO3 so one can interrogate real video settings and suggest a default profile or how to create a custom profile that mimics your raw recording better.

Jeff

Ive tried the intelligent SVRT and it produces better results but still not like the raw video. Thanks for the swift reply Jeff! I shall do it asap thanks again!

Ok guys, sorry for the late reply been busy with work then holidays!



Heres a 6 second RAW video from my GOPRO3. If you are able to suggest settings on how to closely get to the same quality when exporting with power director please let me know! Thx in advance and hope to hear from you guys soon!



Anything else I need to provide let me know thx!

Hi guys,

Just wondering if anyone has had anytime to look into my issue? Wanna get started editing some footage from my last fishing trip but want to make sure I retain as much quality as possible! Thanks in advance for taking the time guys!

Quote: Ive tried the intelligent SVRT and it produces better results but still not like the raw video. Thanks for the swift reply Jeff! I shall do it asap thanks again!

If SVRT, which is essentially a copy of your input, is not acceptable, I don't think any encoding settings will suite your needs.

My eyes could not spot any difference between the supplied clip and the Intelligent SVRT profile applied and the clip produced.

Jeff

Hi Yellow78

I'm wondering if you and JL_JL saw different things when you looked at the Intelligent SVRT info screen. I know that JL_JL saw all green because his output was an identical copy of the original clip. However, when I opened your clip I saw this:



Is this what you saw? All that red means the PD needs to render/produce the entire clip, and that's probably where your poor quality is coming from.

It looks the like codec that the clip is recorded in is called "JVT" and PD doesn't have a standard output profile that matches that, which would need to be 1080/60p in MP4 to get SVRT to work. PD has a 1080/60p M2TS option and a 1080/30p MP4 profile, but each of those require PD to produce to the new format.

I tried creating a custom profile for 1080/60p and matched the bit rates and audio settings, but I still wasn't able to get SVRT to work. Maybe Jeff can help by posting the details of the profile that worked for him.

Also, if there's any software that comes with your GoPro, you might try installing it on your computer (with PD closed) because it might install the same codec that the camera uses. That should let PD give you all green on SVRT and get you the highest quality output insanely fast!

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I rendered the clip using the default H264 mp4 1920x1080 25fps. It rendered pretty much in real time and I'm having trouble seeing a difference between screenshots of the two versions.

I have GoPro Studio installed so I'm wondering if that has something to do with your problem. Have you installed it?

Quote: Hi Yellow78

I'm wondering if you and JL_JL saw different things when you looked at the Intelligent SVRT info screen. I know that JL_JL saw all green because his output was an identical copy of the original clip. However, when I opened your clip I saw this:



Is this what you saw? All that red means the PD needs to render/produce the entire clip, and that's probably where your poor quality is coming from.

It looks the like codec that the clip is recorded in is called "JVT" and PD doesn't have a standard output profile that matches that, which would need to be 1080/60p in MP4 to get SVRT to work. PD has a 1080/60p M2TS option and a 1080/30p MP4 profile, but each of those require PD to produce to the new format.

I tried creating a custom profile for 1080/60p and matched the bit rates and audio settings, but I still wasn't able to get SVRT to work. Maybe Jeff can help by posting the details of the profile that worked for him.

Also, if there's any software that comes with your GoPro, you might try installing it on your computer (with PD closed) because it might install the same codec that the camera uses. That should let PD give you all green on SVRT and get you the highest quality output insanely fast!

Hi Optodata,

I produced the same clip using Intelligent SVRT and it suggested a Custom Profile for me and the writing was in blue. Then in the timeline bar theres green above the video ( Refer to image attached). It was ultra quick to produce the video, the output looked pretty good but that was raw video. My other attempts at producing had heavily edited video with effects like stabilizing and all that jazz. Am I suppose to expect degradation in video quality cause of those effects?? Could that be the cause of my reduced output quality? Thx so much for your time btw glad I could get some help!

Quote: I rendered the clip using the default H264 mp4 1920x1080 25fps. It rendered pretty much in real time and I'm having trouble seeing a difference between screenshots of the two versions.

I have GoPro Studio installed so I'm wondering if that has something to do with your problem. Have you installed it?

Thx for having a look Longedge! Just curious.. im not that tech savvy hehe but my clip was made with 60fps and I see you rendered yours in 25fps? May I ask why? I thought you meant to match everything, thats the only reason why I ask.



But yes I too have Gopro studio installed on my computer. Thx for taking a look!

Hi jeff,

Yeah I did the same, produced the same clip using intelligent SVRT and it turned out good. Couldnt tell the difference. However, when I do other clips, which have stabilzer used, a few fade ins/outs and other effects, I notice the degradation. Could this be the cause you reckon?

Quote: Thx for having a look Longedge! Just curious.. im not that tech savvy hehe

that makes two of us

Quote: my clip was made with 60fps and I see you rendered yours in 25fps? May I ask why?

The profile I used is the default one I always use. It wasn't a conscious decision more a lack of thinking things through more carefully . I don't need to use higher frame rates so it's not one of the things that automatically comes into my mind. I know that the image quality of a single frame isn't the only consideration but that was what I was looking at.

Quote: Hi Optodata,
I produced the same clip using Intelligent SVRT and it suggested a Custom Profile for me and the writing was in blue. Then in the timeline bar theres green above the video ( Refer to image attached). It was ultra quick to produce the video, the output looked pretty good but that was raw video.

My other attempts at producing had heavily edited video with effects like stabilizing and all that jazz. Am I suppose to expect degradation in video quality cause of those effects?? Could that be the cause of my reduced output quality? Thx so much for your time btw glad I could get some help!

Congrats on getting things working! The reason you got the ultra quick produce was because every frame in your original clip was (finally, with the custom profile) just copied to your output clip. There was no rerendering at all, and no changes in quality or detail were made.

When you add effects or transitions, PD will need to change/render those specific frames but you can simply choose your custom profile and select SVRT when you're ready to produce. At that point, you'll see a checkerboard of red and green on the SVRT track above the timeline. If you have mostly green (meaning relatively few areas where PD will need to render new frames), you should still get a quick output.

The best thing is when you produce to Custom Profile-5, PD knows exactly what settings your original clip is in and will match that in the produced video. I think you'll be very happy with the results

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I am a GoPro fan (Hero 3+ Black Ed) and have had mixed results with PDR13. I shoot 1080p and 720p at a high framerate (100fps PAL) because I never know when I want to use slo-mo. High framerate = better slo-mo.

If you have the latest edition of GoPro Studio (free) you will see that it comes with the full Cineform professional codec. I use GoPro Studio to trim my clips. You will see that it produces Cineform AVI files which are larger than you original clips. Cineform is is now the standard for the Movie Industry. Basically highly compressed video formats (MP4) are not good for editing - with any software. The Cineform AVI files produced in GPStudio are de-compressed larger files with no quality loss. Every frame is now a Keyframe which is far better for editing.
I have also found that the SloMo in GPStudio is better and smoother than PDR13 so I SloMo and color correct in GPStidio then select your PDR13 project settings (30fps?) and output high quality Cineform AVI files from GPStudio and import the AVI files into PDR13 for more advanced editing, key-framing etc. PDR13 will use the Cineform AVI files on the timeline as long as it is installed on your PC. Output quality is a lot better.
Next, for best GoPro quality use a professional setting called ProTune which is very close to professional RAW quality and records more detail. GPStudio has a Protune Preset using Cineform which will give you better quality output.
See link
https://gopro.com/support/articles/advanced-protune-controls-explained

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Quote:

Quote: Hi Optodata,
I produced the same clip using Intelligent SVRT and it suggested a Custom Profile for me and the writing was in blue. Then in the timeline bar theres green above the video ( Refer to image attached). It was ultra quick to produce the video, the output looked pretty good but that was raw video.

My other attempts at producing had heavily edited video with effects like stabilizing and all that jazz. Am I suppose to expect degradation in video quality cause of those effects?? Could that be the cause of my reduced output quality? Thx so much for your time btw glad I could get some help!

Congrats on getting things working! The reason you got the ultra quick produce was because every frame in your original clip was (finally, with the custom profile) just copied to your output clip. There was no rerendering at all, and no changes in quality or detail were made.

When you add effects or transitions, PD will need to change/render those specific frames but you can simply choose your custom profile and select SVRT when you're ready to produce. At that point, you'll see a checkerboard of red and green on the SVRT track above the timeline. If you have mostly green (meaning relatively few areas where PD will need to render new frames), you should still get a quick output.

The best thing is when you produce to Custom Profile-5, PD knows exactly what settings your original clip is in and will match that in the produced video. I think you'll be very happy with the results

Sweet! So the red bars on the SVRT track only tells me that those are the segments that need to be rendered (due to me adding effects/transitions etc). The green bars tell me that those are good to go and no rendering is required correct? So, as long as my export settings match my original gopro file settings, I can expect that once the red bars are rendered, they will produce the same output as original quality? It is looking good now though just wanted to confirm my thinking is correct! Thx heaps for the advice!

Sounds like you got everything I said

Happy editing!

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Quote: I am a GoPro fan (Hero 3+ Black Ed) and have had mixed results with PDR13. I shoot 1080p and 720p at a high framerate (100fps PAL) because I never know when I want to use slo-mo. High framerate = better slo-mo.

If you have the latest edition of GoPro Studio (free) you will see that it comes with the full Cineform professional codec. I use GoPro Studio to trim my clips. You will see that it produces Cineform AVI files which are larger than you original clips. Cineform is is now the standard for the Movie Industry. Basically highly compressed video formats (MP4) are not good for editing - with any software. The Cineform AVI files produced in GPStudio are de-compressed larger files with no quality loss. Every frame is now a Keyframe which is far better for editing.
I have also found that the SloMo in GPStudio is better and smoother than PDR13 so I SloMo and color correct in GPStidio then select your PDR13 project settings (30fps?) and output high quality Cineform AVI files from GPStudio and import the AVI files into PDR13 for more advanced editing, key-framing etc. PDR13 will use the Cineform AVI files on the timeline as long as it is installed on your PC. Output quality is a lot better.
Next, for best GoPro quality use a professional setting called ProTune which is very close to professional RAW quality and records more detail. GPStudio has a Protune Preset using Cineform which will give you better quality output.
See link
https://gopro.com/support/articles/advanced-protune-controls-explained

Al

Hi AlS, thx for contributing to my posts!



Ok sweet, I get how the AVI files are uncompressed and have no loss of quality but Im curious why you trim in GoPro Studio? Couldnt you just convert all your clips you want to edit to AVI, then insert to PD13 then trim from there too? Or is it to save space cause converting a whole clip will produce larger files?



I will give your editing workflow a go as I do also have GoPro Studio installed on my PC! Also, am I right in thinking that Protune is a setting that produces videos that is equivalent to RAW files in Photography? A file that has RAW data, can be manipulated (WB, color temperature, sharpness, exposure etc) without ever loosing quality?

Quote: Sounds like you got everything I said

Happy editing!

Your a champion mate!

After a few years using this GoPro and PD13 (now 14) without any satisfaction in terms of quality output, hopefully my next video turns out heaps better than previous attempts. Thx heaps!!!