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Getting requests for DVD copy of my AVCHD slideshow...? quality.
jaymay22
Member Location: Sydney, NSW, Australia. Joined: Aug 27, 2009 07:18 Messages: 143 Offline
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Hi all,

Recently I made a lovely slideshow for my son's year 12 College Graduation.
No video, only photos, as a slideshow with music and titles added in. I produced it to a lovely AVCHD .m2ts (about 17mbps) video file.

However, I am getting many requests for this slideshow from parents, which I'm happy to do.
For some, I'm just copying the avchd file onto a USB. Some prefer a DVD.

The problem is many parents don't have a blu ray player.
I used the AVCHD file and re-produced to an Mpeg2 filewith only 8mbps. The quality was worse than awful. I know there's going to be a bit of a downgrade, but it was really horrible.
I also tried producing it to an MP4 file, with a similar 18mbps. Again, it was pretty pathetic.

I guess they can play it on their computers, but here's my question.
how do I get the best possible quality DVD for those people who do not want to play it on their computers and only have a DVD player. If I can use my .m2ts master that would be good. Jenny
James Dotson
Senior Contributor Location: Tennessee Joined: Aug 24, 2009 20:40 Messages: 3066 Offline
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If you can use the m2ts that would probably be the best idea. I have made several dvds from a m2ts video and they looks quite good. Reencoding multiple time to different formats is rarely good for quality. __________________________________
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Fenman
Senior Contributor Location: Cambridge, UK Joined: Nov 24, 2011 04:44 Messages: 731 Offline
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Hi Jenny,

A standard DVD player can only be guaranteed to play MPEG-2 and 8Mb/s is the highest bit rate that will give reasonable quality. Going higher won't improve it much if at all. I believe some newer players might be able to play the higher definition file types but I haven't researched this so can't be unequivocal about it.

Hence if you want to produce DVDs that will play on any player you'll need to produce to MPEG-2. PD's default setting for this is 8Mb/s. From what you've said I assume you brought your produced AVCHD master back into the timeline and then produced your MPEG-2 from that. As Jaime-esque has said multiple re-encoding can degrade quality so I'd suggest you might get better results if you re-open the original project you used to produce the AVCHD file and produce the MPEG-2 directly from that.

You're never going to get brilliant quality from a standard PAL DVD MPEG-2 as it's resolution is limited to 720x576 pixels. Regards,
Mike

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ynotfish
Senior Contributor Location: N.S.W. Australia Joined: May 08, 2009 02:06 Messages: 9977 Online
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Hi Jenny -

I agree with James & Mike. Burn the DVD from the original project (or create a folder from it and burn the DVDs with dedicated software).

You're right to expect degradation of PQ. You're working with a compromised situation. The difference in how PDR renders M2TS 1080p & MPEG-2 DVD HQ is "significant" (euphemism).

In DVD format, the photos will be more pixelated, the titles not so clear, the transitions not so smooth & any motion in your slideshow will be polluted with motion artefacts (shimmering etc).

I just made a simple motion slideshow using 20+ Mpx photos and produced to 3 versions:


  1. UHD 3840x2160 @ 30Mbps

  2. FHD 1920x1080 @ 14Mbps (akin to AVCHD DVD)

  3. DVD HQ 720x480 @ 8Mbps


There are many variables when burning DVD, including how well the player upscales the image. There are two images attached: "SS Resolution" shows a comparison of the PQ you might expect whatching each of the three on a regular HD TV. "DVD-1080" shows the DVD quality image inside the Full HD one. Have a look at the circled leg - thats's what it's like all through the slideshow frown

You can minimise PQ loss by removing all motion & transitions, but you probably wouldn't want to go back & re-edit the whole project!

Cheers - Tony
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jaymay22
Member Location: Sydney, NSW, Australia. Joined: Aug 27, 2009 07:18 Messages: 143 Offline
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Jaime - thankyou, will do. Such a trek, the whole thing was a volunteer effort in the first place that took many hours. I never give much thought to other people's AV equipment, it never occurred to me that they might not have something that can play AVCHD.
Guess I'll be reproducing.

Fenman - Yep, I did use the AVCHD master and reencoded. I am going to have to re-use my project files as you suggested. The current DVD production is woeful. I hope to get SOME PQ improvement.

Tony - Wow....what amazing comparisons. The HD and the UHD are mildly different compared to the SD. Wow. Look at those lines!

Tony, I have question- Are you saying other software produces better DVD quality than PD13? So I should use PD13 to make the 'folder' then maybe use Win DVD maker? or something?
You're right, I don't want to go and re-edit the whole thing, it's chocker block full of titles and transitions between almost every photo. No motion though, thank goodness, except in 2-3 of the 100 photos.

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Jenny
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