Quote: Running 4770 CPU, Win8.1,

Will HA work with a GeForce 760?

Especially looking at rendering H265.

No, not H265. Currently one would need a Maxwell based GPU for that, like the GTX9xx series.

Jeff

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Quote: Running 4770 CPU, Win8.1,

Will HA work with a GeForce 760?

Especially looking at rendering H265.

No, not H265. Currently one would need a Maxwell based GPU for that, like the GTX9xx series.

Jeff

Really needs to be Maxwell 2, not just any Maxwell .

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Thanks all for for the clarification.

Bought the GTX760 2 years ago, thinking it would greatly help with PD12, but unfortunately that did not work out. In addition to that I also experienced various PD12 bugs rendering not too complicated projects useless. That taught me to keep projects simple, but then what's the point of having a powerful editor?

Over the last few years, plenty of people spent good money on video cards in hopes to get decent hardware acceleration. Too add insult to injury, countless hours were spent by many to get HA to work, just to find out that it does not deliver.

CL should issue clear recommendations what works for HA and what doesn't.That still does not happen to this day. Currently PD14 touts HA, yet again fails to spec what works and what doesn't Pretty sad.

Some of the touted new features in PD14 can easily be done in PD12 as well.

Somewhat disenchanted with CL, I'll hold off with upgrading to PD14 for now. Certainly I would not recommend PDx to anyone at this point.

NVIDIA decides to drop CUDA hardware encoder because they want to promote NVENC to sell new cards or maybe they don't want to maintain the old CUDA technologies.

BTW, AMD does the same thing recently, only new cards can use hardware encode with new driver since July. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Cracks me up when people complain about spending money on videocards but they forget to factor how much they spend on the rest of equipment - 4k video camcorder, computer for editing and playing, 4k HDTV... Because only 4k really requires h265.

Anyway, the only video cards that are recommended today from both nVidia and AMD are nVidia's GTX 950 and GTX960 - both Maxwell 2 with hardware h265 decoder/encoder.
Sure, you can spend money on a new Intel Skylake CPU and motherboard that has that too, but that's not cheaper. Plus Skylake it supports only Main/8bit encoding.

[quote=SoNic67]Skylake it supports only Main/8bit encoding.[/quote]

Unfortunately Maxwell2 has the same limitation.

http://developer.download.nvidia.com/compute/nvenc/v5.0_beta/NVENC_DA-06209-001_v06.pdf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Quote: Cracks me up when people complain about spending money on videocards but they forget to factor how much they spend on the rest of equipment - 4k video camcorder, computer for editing and playing, 4k HDTV... Because only 4k really requires h265.

Even 4K doesn't really require H265. You can get by with H264. Especially if your 4K camera doesn't record in H265. Most currently don't.

It's true that it's not a large part of the budget overall, but video cards can still be expensive. Especially if you are upgrading not just your editing machine but your HTPC, etc. When I move to 4K displays I will replace 4 video cards. Right now it looks like that would set me back about $800. Not peanuts. Of course the rest of the 4K setup cost about another $15,000, but that's mostly due to the insane cost of 4K projectors right now ($8,000 for entry level Sony model). Which is why I'm waiting to buy the other components too

The 4K camera and displays will clearly be the costliest. And adding required storage too . And backup storage accordingly. Not cheap.

Anyway, the only video cards that are recommended today from both nVidia and AMD are nVidia's GTX 950 and GTX960 - both Maxwell 2 with hardware h265 decoder/encoder.

Given the non-working state of the current nVidia drivers with PowerDirector, I would say only the GTX 960 is really viable. GTX 950 will be viable too when the bugs get sorted out. The GTX 960 can function with old working drivers, but not the GTX 950.

Sure, you can spend money on a new Intel Skylake CPU and motherboard that has that too, but that's not cheaper.

Not only is it not cheaper, it's also significantly more painful to upgrade from a logistical point of view. Motherboard/CPU upgrade may need new DDR4 too - or DDR-3L. It's expensive to buy 32GB of new RAM just to get a new CPU. I paid much less for the 32GB DDR3 at the time, too. Something is wrong with Moore's law . I'm still getting by with a 3-year old AMD FX-8350 . I wish AMD had some 12/16 core low power CPUs that could plug in to the AM3+ socket.

They have that in the server market in the Opteron line. The server motherboards suck for desktop use, though, even though you can fit multiple CPUs. By the time you spend that amount of money, you would probably not be using consumer-level PowerDirector, though. MSI X99A Raider
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I have the GTX 760. I brought in a video PD 14 and encoded it to H265. No hardware support on video card for it. The video has some stabilizing apply to the clips color grading. Video is 46 seconds long and it took my computer 3 minutes to encode it in h265. But my cpu only went up to 60% usage. Intel i7 5960X overclock to 4 Ghz 16 GB of ram.
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@Michael8511: That's because you have an i7 5960X at 4GHz, so that hybrid encoding worked OK. Otherwise you will see what h265 hybrid encoding means to CPU's

@Julien Pierre: I have a 6 core / 12 thread Xeon (Westmere EP, with a triple channel DDR3), coupled with a GTX960. It gets some 50% of Michael8511's CPU benchmark. Not looking to "upgrade" anytime soon my MoBo/CPU either.

I assume you were encoding in HD, not 4K.
My FX-8350 looks like it will encode a 12 minute H264/24 Mbps 1920x1080/i project to H265/11 Mbps 1920x1080/30p in about 18 minutes. IOW, about 1.5 minute of encoding for every minute of video .
This is for a project without any effect.
All 8 cores of my CPU are peaked.
AFAIK, there are no special instructions in the FX-8350 to assist.

I believe the effects are the issue - the stabilization, and the color grading .
In my experience, many of them are not well optimized Micahel8511 is seeing.
I believe if the effects are removed, the CPU utilization will go from 60% to 100%.

BTW, yesterday, I did a 38 second rendering from H264 3840x2160/30p to WMV for Youtube uploading. That took about 32 minutes ! Not H.265, but 4K really is horrible to encode in software. The project did have effects though, but simple ones. Just masks. MSI X99A Raider
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Julien, are you sure the HA is working on your computer? In my experience when HA is active, the GPU usage goes higher (up to 90-100%) but the CPU goes lower. I never saw both peaked.

Use GPU-Z to monitor the GPU.

I was using 1080P video. The only camera I have right now that shoots 4k is the GoPro 4 Black. I will have to test some 4 K. But with the GTX 760 and PD 14 on h265 no hardware video encode.

I myself I never use hardware encoding. I let the CPU do all the work for right now. Intel i7 5960X overclock to 4 Ghz 16 GB of ram.
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Quote: Julien, are you sure the HA is working on your computer? In my experience when HA is active, the GPU usage goes higher (up to 90-100%) but the CPU goes lower. I never saw both peaked.

Use GPU-Z to monitor the GPU.

Sonic67, I was talking about a software encode in this case. My 750Ti does not support H265.

This was a followup to Michael's message about his H265 software encode only taking 60% of CPU - though his GTX 760 does not support H.265 hardware encoding either so it had to be a software encode as well.

I believe some effects also don't fully support multi-core, which can explain the idle CPU even with software encode. MSI X99A Raider
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