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kalash74 [Avatar]
Newbie Joined: May 01, 2015 21:02 Messages: 22 Offline
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I'm trying to produce some 2.7K video from my GoPro. Using a Dell XPS laptop 2015 (ultrabook) with the following specs:

Intel Core i5-5200U CPU 2.20 GHz

8.0 GB RAM

64 bit processor

Windows 8.1

The problem I'm having is that when I try to produce, I keep getting an error message that says "update your video card or Windows Media Player" or something of the sort. The thing is, everything is up to date. I notice that I have this error especially when using the video stabilizer feature. I've been able to produce some video without this correction, and it worked fine, however.

Is my machine simply not powerful enough? Would it help if I switched to an older version of Powerdirector that required less computing power? I use GoPro Studio 2.0 and export in 2.7K and it works fine. The playback is also smooth, whereas the playback in Cyberdirector 13 is choppy.



Any ideas for how to solve this problem?
delboy35 [Avatar]
Newbie Location: Scotland Joined: Apr 12, 2015 17:21 Messages: 23 Offline
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Are you certain that the output from gopro studio is h264 and not cineform codec.Archive/edit output will put cineform into MP4 or MOV container formats.Did you use custom and select h264 instead.Cineform not supported and would explain message.

The reason for the performance in studio is that it uses a proper intermediate editing format(cineform) which is a lot less compressed and studio is highly optimised for it.So edit/playback in it is a lot easier on your pc.When you output to h264 your changing from that to a highly compressed distribution and playback format.You need a lot more power to try and use brute force to edit it.

Ive got an i7 4 core/8 threads /16GB ram and i would change to using a shadow file for 2.7k Especially when you start adding filters and effects which put even more pressure on your pc.Theres nothing wrong with your pc but at that very high resolution a shadow file woud be better to edit a playback format.
kalash74 [Avatar]
Newbie Joined: May 01, 2015 21:02 Messages: 22 Offline
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Quote: Are you certain that the output from gopro studio is h264 and not cineform codec.Archive/edit output will put cineform into MP4 or MOV container formats.Did you use custom and select h264 instead.Cineform not supported and would explain message.

The reason for the performance in studio is that it uses a proper intermediate editing format(cineform) which is a lot less compressed and studio is highly optimised for it.So edit/playback in it is a lot easier on your pc.When you output to h264 your changing from that to a highly compressed distribution and playback format.You need a lot more power to try and use brute force to edit it.

Ive got an i7 4 core/8 threads /16GB ram and i would change to using a shadow file for 2.7k Especially when you start adding filters and effects which put even more pressure on your pc.Theres nothing wrong with your pc but at that very high resolution a shadow file woud be better to edit a playback format.




What's a shadow file? Also, is there a way to downgrade the viewing quality when playing back the edit in Powerdirector 13?

My workflow is as follows: Import GoPro video (.mp4) from camera to GoPro Studio 2.0. Edit video (remove fisheye, color correct, etc.) and export as Edit/Archive (.avi, "Film Scan 1" setting). Then import edit/archive file (Cineform .avi) into Powerdirector 13. Should I be exporting from GoPro Studio as .mp4? Sorry, but I'm a novice here...The file size is around 13.3 GB.



Do you think that Powerdirector has a hard time processing the Cineform .avi format?

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optodata
Senior Contributor Location: California, USA Joined: Sep 16, 2011 16:04 Messages: 8630 Offline
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kalash74, Try turning on Shadow Files from the Settings (gear icon) menu.

From the General tab, check the box that says "Enable HD video processing (shadow file)" This will cause PD to create lower resolution versions of all the clips in the project library which will make editing and working with them much faster. The full resolution files will be used when you produce your final video, but be aware that it may take some time to create the shadow files. This only needs to happen once, but's it's better that you let it finish before starting on the editing.

Also, you can lower the resolution of the preview used for editing from this button below the preview window:



Your computer certainly seems powerful enough for HD+ editing, but to help solve the "update" message issue please follow the steps *here* and attach your DxDiag reults so we can see which video drivers are loaded. The results will also show if your computer looks to be in good shape overall.

I'm not very familiar with GoPro codecs, so please follow delboy35's recommendations.

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kalash74 [Avatar]
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Seems like it's working...for now.

My current concern is whether I'm losing quality with my workflow:

GoPro .mp4 files -> convert to film/edit Cineform .avi using GoPro studio 2.0 software -> import to PD 13 and produce as h.264 / .mp4

Am I losing quality by converting from .mp4 to .avi to .mp4?

I'm trying to get the best workflow to maximize quality for upload to youtube. I should also mention that I tried uploading straight from PD 13 to youtube (in the highest quality available, 1920 x 1080), and it looked terrible. I'm trying to preserve the original 2.7K resolution with the original bit rate at which it was recorded, around 47-48 mbps.
optodata
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In general, you would want to keep the number of transcodings or re-renderings to a minimum. Maybe I missed something, but did you turn on the shadow files and see if PD can import the MP4 clips directly? You said things seem to be working now - what did you change? Just your workflow?

Also, it would really be helpful if you could post the DxDiag results as requested above. Without that we don't have any way of helping you with the "need to update" message and that may be the whole reason you're having trouble with the MP4 clips.

Also, you'll usually get better results when producing locally them uploading to YouTube manually. You have full control over the resolution and bit rate, and you can produce to 2k (or similar) and have that full resolution available to stream off YT.

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Hi guys. I'm new to video editing. I have a question.
I have powerdirector 13 ultra. Old laptop.
I can edit avi videos with no problems.
When I import mts or mp4 1920 1080 videos to pd.
They will not play. So I convert them to avi. This lowers the quality to 720. Is there a way to edit mts or mp4 files in pd 13 ultra? Or away to produce 1920 1080 avi files, so I may then edit them in pd13.
Thank you for any help on this matter.
BarryTheCrab
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Dogypup12,
welcome to the volunteer forum.
You have a new topic all your own so it is best practice to start your own new thread/topic.
Read the STICKIES at the top of the Forum and that should help you post a clear question we can all look at.
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Thank you Barryl. Sorry for posting in the wrong place. I'm still trying to figure out how to use the forum.
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