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SEPERATE HARD DRIVES? HELP PLEASE!!!
RykersMom2013 [Avatar]
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I've been searching google for this answer and i must not be asking the question correctluy. My laptop has a 5400rpm hard drive. When purchasing i read in the reviews thats its the only problem with it and can/will become the bottleneck of the system. So heres my problem. When my wife does her video editing its constatnly skipping and freezing while doing her edits. Trying to do time lapse is insane. You pretty much have to just produce the video and watch it to see if you did your edits right. because the preview just keeps skipping and freezing. So i've read that the best way to do editing is to have the program on one hard drive and your data on another. but what way should this be. I was going to buy her a ssd internal drive for her laptop. At that rate do i need to split this up? if i do split it up do i keep the program on the internal ssd or put it on a seperate drive or visa versa??? Please help as this has gotten very irritating. Thanks. Oh and specs of laptop are very good. i7 4700hq, 8gb ram geforece gtx 850. with 2gb
tomasc [Avatar]
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On another post, EKSVid supplied this link: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822236642&cm_re=WD_Dual_Drives_%28SSD_%2b_HDD%29-_-22-236-642-_-Product . You can hve both a ssd and a 1 TB hard drive in one unit to replace what you have. Check it out.

You can install the PD13 wherever you want. Most users choose the boot drive.
Dafydd B [Avatar]
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Hi RykersMom2013,
In addition to the link given by tomasc there are other factors that can cause skipping.
Please provide more information.
1. Diagnostic - gives us full spec to check over.
2. MediaInfo of the type of video being edited.
3. A screenshot of the Edit Workspace with a project insitu.
Part A, B, E, F &J in the guide applies: http://forum.cyberlink.com/forum/posts/list/40225.page

All three requests are important as they have a great deal of baring on how the media data is process. I err on the side of caution, a 5400rpm drive should be able to cope with HD footage reasonably well... slow but ok.

I used to find heat slowed a computer down a lot. Make sure the laptop is well ventilated/cool.

Regarding the changing of a HDD in your laptop. The prime thing about laptops is the lack of interior space for equipment. Please be aware that you would need to look closely at the present HDD if you intend substituting it for either an SSD or a HDD - make sure the darn thing'll fit!

Dafydd
An SSD will speed up your data flow.

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RykersMom2013 [Avatar]
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Hey there Dafydd. im not sure on how to give u the diag info. if there is a way you can instruct me im more than happy. all of the video is shot from her dslr or her sony handycam. she def isnt doing anything crazy. just normal stuff. on putting in one source. time lapse here and there and trasistions. sometime cuttin audio and replacing with music. i feel like this is pretty basic stuff. i do notcie my the hdd light stay pretty solid when thhe freezing is going on. this laptop exceeds the min req of the program by far. i feel like most of these problems are software related. i have friends doing alot more with alot less with other programs like sonys. thanks for you help. and replacing with a ssd is pretty straight forward. its no different in size compared to a hdd so im not sure what your meaning there.
RykersMom2013 [Avatar]
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anyone else have any more experience on this that could give me a hand???
Dafydd B [Avatar]
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Hi RykersMom2013 ,
Diagnostic instructions and the rest are in the link/info I posted previously, follow the link and the guides will tell you how to provide the information requested.

DSLR video. Umm, now you may be just nailing the likely cause of the problem. DSLR's will capture video with very high bitrate (much higher than standard consumer video cameras) and that will have a consequences when the video is being previewed/edited. If you provide the data requested etc we can guide you/her further.

Dafydd
RykersMom2013 [Avatar]
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Here is the diag and the version info along with the screenshot of the project she was just currently working on. Thanks for your help Dafydd. i appreciate it!!!
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Dafydd B [Avatar]
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Hi RykersMom2013,
Thanks for the images & the diagnostic.
Ok, to understand the situation further I would like to see the MediaInfo on the video files (example - such as the DSC_0027.mov file).
Observations:
You have a low powered GPU and a Nvidia GPU - you need to check the Nvidia card is active when PDR13 is in operation. I recall previous laptops had to switch the GPU's for precise software. I'm not familiar with your laptop so I could be recalling utter rubbish in the case here.
You have a very capable Nvidia GPU - there shouldn't be a need for Shadow Edit File generation - just uses up resources and capability producing the replacement media. Uncheck the option.
You only have 8GB of ram - jump it up to 12/16 if you can. This is an optional opinion driven suggestion.
I'm still guessing with the MOV file as having a high bitrate.

With the time lapse - what method are you using?

see image.

Dafydd

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RykersMom2013 [Avatar]
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Ok so im not sure and havent really ever been sure that pd13 has been using my dedicated card (gtx850m) as i've never found a way to know for sure. What i do know is that i've selected hardware acceleration as you can see in the screenshots and in the nvidia program i've manually added pd13 as if it were a game. This laptop was specifically bought for my wife to produce videos as she has gotten into vlogging on youtube. (mommy videos) i know a desktop is would've been a much better option but with having a 2year old and trying for another a desktop just doesnt make alot of sense in this house lol. Basically because she does her editing WHEN & WHERE she CAN. LOL Now as far as the method ur asking about u've completley lost me as im not exactly understanding what your pic means as far as picking a method. just opening the file she was last working on takes a minute and hdd light stays solid. Hence the other concern about hard drive When my wife gets home i can have her show me in that video where the time lapse is and i can go from there and hopefully get you some more info.
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RykersMom2013 [Avatar]
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Two more attachements
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Myk
Senior Member Location: The Hartland of Michigan Joined: Feb 05, 2015 16:09 Messages: 205 Offline
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Do you have the nvidia Precision_X installed? That will give you some info.

Question: How did you manually install PD as a game?

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PowerSpec G310
ASRock Extreme 6 A85X
AMD A10 6800K Quad Core Processor 4.1GHz
16GB DDR3-1600 RAM
EVGA GTX960 Super OC GPU
Windows 7 Pro
RykersMom2013 [Avatar]
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Myk - i've never heard of that so i will def look into that.

secondly - you need to find the .exe file that runs pd13 from there you manually add it as a game. This laptop has a program call Nvidia Geforce Experience. When it opens it has 5 tabs across the top. You want to clink on Prefences and then on the left you sell

General

Games

Shadowplay

Batter Boost

you want to click on games. then on the right you'll see the "+" sign. That is where you add the source. This is a option because the program would normally auto detect (from my understanding) any games installed on the machine that can use that graphics card. there are two pics atached one showing the fist thing i talked about and one showing what i mean by auto detect.
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RykersMom2013 [Avatar]
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Also Dafydd
I have thought about upgrading ram as well. But considering pd13 says you only need like 2 or 4gb (i can't remember) i didnt continue the process thinking 8 is already more than enough but now i question that???? what are you thoughts and reasoning on this subject???

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Myk
Senior Member Location: The Hartland of Michigan Joined: Feb 05, 2015 16:09 Messages: 205 Offline
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Easy enough adding PD to the nvidia system. Something nvidia doesn't make much notice of.
Thank you .
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Never, under any circumstances, combine a laxative and sleeping pill on the same night.

PowerSpec G310
ASRock Extreme 6 A85X
AMD A10 6800K Quad Core Processor 4.1GHz
16GB DDR3-1600 RAM
EVGA GTX960 Super OC GPU
Windows 7 Pro
Dafydd B [Avatar]
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Hi RykersMom2013,
RE: your comments on the thread: http://forum.cyberlink.com/forum/posts/list/40336.page#224925
To clarify - I'm writing this in bullet point form and trying not to forget or miss parts out.:
1. Bitrate is not the frame rate (mentioned in your other thread/post) and it is the high bitrate that can make a preview display with jumps.
2. 5400rpm HDD might be ok, it'll run SD footage and should be a "bit slow" with standard HD footage. Data transfer rates to display in PowerDirector are likely to be slow.
3. Your laptop at 8GB is only 2GB over the 6GB bare minimum for running a video editing program in a 64bit Operating System - Your Laptop is going to be slow.
4. Laptops are poor video editing units - they get hot quick and for some projects you'll run into issues as the unit heats up.
5. You did not provided the MediaInfo data requested - Part J in the guide. You gave a png file of the properties with insufficient information.
6. Your laptop isn't a very powerful unit, the CPU's are on the low end (my opinion) and are likely to be slow.
7. I pointed to the Nvidia set up - I'm not familiar with how to allocate the GPU to a program - you may want to seek tech advice on how to carry that out. - Google it and see.

a) As far as I can tell, the slowness is caused by Shadow file generation taking place while editing is being carried out. Shut off shadow file generation.
http://forum.cyberlink.com/forum/posts/list/29697.page
http://forum.cyberlink.com/forum/posts/list/29732.page#162881
Go through the Preferences and make suitable changes.

b) Set your (your wife) Preview resolution the High.

c) As your wife is more familiar with the editing software and the laptop perhaps she should be the one being guided here - then it would be editor to editor guidance.

d) Give us a sample clip from the camera please - something for us to work with. Just point and shoot (no personal video stuff). 5 seconds long and upload it as an attachment. members can then check out the actual video source material and see if there is a problem linked to the mov file. Please state the make and model of the camera.

All the above is an opinion and requests made are to see what might/could be the cause.

Looks to me your Hard Drive question has been answered. I see you have a partition in your current Toshiba drive, personally I don't see the need and it's on such a small drive.

Dafydd

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RykersMom2013 [Avatar]
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Hey dafydd, sorry for such a long gap in reaponse. We unchecked the shadow file generation. It didnt seem to help in the current project (New greenscreen so we played with chromakey) but i will keep an eye on it for the next project. Ill upload a video clip this weekend.
RykersMom2013 [Avatar]
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Also you stated that my cpu was on the low end... From the bit of research i did i thought i was a good one??? but is it safe to say that it should be good considering its a i7?
Dafydd B [Avatar]
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Hi RykersMom2013 ,

Greenscreen? GPU issue?

i7, you have a lower powered i7, rather than middle to upper, more suited for video editing in my opinion.

I think you need to start a new topic as we've gone away from SEPERATE HARD DRIVES? HELP PLEASE!!!.

Dafydd

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