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Frame Rate 240 with GoPro or smart phone
yoyoman [Avatar]
Newbie Location: Atlanta GA Joined: Jun 19, 2013 15:59 Messages: 7 Offline
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How can I work with video shot at a high frame rate, whether it is from a GoPro or slow motion from a phone?

Is it possible?
and if I'm using 60 frame rate what are the losses?

Thanks.

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Thanks, look forward to learning and sharing.
James Dotson
Senior Contributor Location: Tennessee Joined: Aug 24, 2009 20:40 Messages: 3066 Offline
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If you are producing at 60 fps it simply drops the extra frames. For editing you shouldn't have too much trouble. There are users on here that can better explain the technical reasons. __________________________________
CORNBLOSSOM
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I tried 240fps video from HERO4 and it works great.
You can find Video Speed in Power Tools if you like to have slow motion. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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yoyoman [Avatar]
Newbie Location: Atlanta GA Joined: Jun 19, 2013 15:59 Messages: 7 Offline
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I think this is my question, so if I shoot at 240 fps and then most of the frames are discarded, what is the point of shooting at 240? Seems like it would be best to have all 240 frames for the edit, then if I want slow motion the program should display all 240 frames in say 4 seconds if I want 1/4 speed????? (60 fps)

Thanks, look forward to learning and sharing.
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Yes, since you shoot in 240fps, you will get editing balance when you need slow motion.

But unfortunately, most of modern devices will drop video quality in high frame rate...you can find some comparisons on YouTube. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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ynotfish
Senior Contributor Location: N.S.W. Australia Joined: May 08, 2009 02:06 Messages: 9977 Offline
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Hi yoyoman -

In order to get good smooth slow motion, you NEED to shoot at a high frame rate.

Just try shooting the same "event" (like someone jumping into the water) at 30fps, 120fps & 240fps and see which clip gives you the best looking slow motion. You already know the answer. Some of the most spectacular slow motion you've ever seen was probably shot at thousands of frames per second (see the last link below).

If you're interested, here's some light reading that explains it all way better than I could:

Slow Motion 101
Intro to SloMo
Tips for shooting SloMo
Slow Motion Cam shoots 18000fps

Cheers - Tony

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James Dotson
Senior Contributor Location: Tennessee Joined: Aug 24, 2009 20:40 Messages: 3066 Offline
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My theory, i have never tested it, is that you also get a faster shutter speed at higher frame rates, and therefore sharper images in fast motion. __________________________________
CORNBLOSSOM
yoyoman [Avatar]
Newbie Location: Atlanta GA Joined: Jun 19, 2013 15:59 Messages: 7 Offline
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I guess my question is: How do I set the timeline frame rate in PD13 to 240 or something other than 24, 30 or 60?
and with the timeline frame rate set to 30 for example, when I import my video, what is PD doing to it to make it fit? Thanks, look forward to learning and sharing.
James Dotson
Senior Contributor Location: Tennessee Joined: Aug 24, 2009 20:40 Messages: 3066 Offline
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As far as I know you cannot set the timeline to 240. PD simply drops the extra frames in editing. __________________________________
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yoyoman [Avatar]
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Quote: As far as I know you cannot set the timeline to 240. PD simply drops the extra frames in editing.


Thanks,
Anything recorded at a frame rate above 60 is totally wasted then.
So I wonder what I can use to edit 240 fps video. Other programs? .
Seems like a huge omission in PD not to edit such video.
Thanks, look forward to learning and sharing.
optodata
Senior Contributor Location: California, USA Joined: Sep 16, 2011 16:04 Messages: 8630 Offline
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Quote:
Quote: As far as I know you cannot set the timeline to 240. PD simply drops the extra frames in editing.


Thanks,
Anything recorded at a frame rate above 60 is totally wasted then.
So I wonder what I can use to edit 240 fps video. Other programs? .
Seems like a huge omission in PD not to edit such video.

yoyoman, there are two important things to work through here. The first is that it's not realistic to expect to be able to play back any clip at 240fps. 60fps is already above what the human eye/brain can process, so from a real-time perspective, those additional frames are already "wasted."

As others have mentioned, the only reason for shooting at high frame rates is to be able to slow down the captured frames and see what's really happening. Depending on your camera, you can set the shutter speed to 1/2000 or even 1/8000 second, even if you're recording at 30 fps. Such fast shutter speeds will give you full stop-motion frames, but you won't have any images (or information) beyond those 30 frames even if you slow the video down.

If you want to display the most info from your clips, I'd say you should set PD13 to 60fps for your projects and use the slow motion features wherever you want to show the fine motion/detail you've captured. That will give you the smoothest possible results.

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I "wash" my high frame rate GoPro videos thru GoPro Studio software first, where a 1 minute 120 fps clip is exported as a 4 minute 30 fps super smooth slow motion clip. Although you can do simple editing in the Studio software, I then import it to PD13 as a 30 fps clip to take advantage of all the power and features.

Please don't quote this but I think there was a gentleman who said you can set the project frame rate to 60, import a 60 fps gopro clip and then produce as a 30 fps and the resulting clip would be a smooth 1/2 speed clip that could then be imported with other 30 fps clips to produce a movie with smooth slow motion sections....maybe someone can add to this....
AlS
Senior Member Location: South Africa Joined: Sep 23, 2014 18:07 Messages: 290 Offline
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Hi xr650lou
This is an interesting topic and I would also like to better understand how to use higher speed. My PDR13 projects are HD (1920x1080) 50 fps 16:9.
I have a GoPro Hero3+ Black. I'm on PAL so frame rates are 25,50,etc.
I shoot my GoPro at 1080p 50 fps excellent HD quality.
I can shoot 720p at 100fps (good HD quality), and WVGA at 240fps (poor quality).
I stopped using GoPro Studio as it converts the MP4 into much larger AVI files prior to Edit. I have found a quality loss in the conversion (any conversion) so I import the GoPro MP4 files into PD13 and Edit there.
I use higher fps for better slo-mo. Even though I cannot set PD13 projects higher than 50 fps, I have found that PD13 does not convert the clip frame rate in the timeline until you Produce the project so higher frame rates should give better slo-mo results.
I use PD13 Slo-Mo with frame interpolation and get better results than the normal SloMo which tends to be jumpy at slow speeds. I haven't tried 240fps.
I suggest you give it a try with your 240fps and check your SloMo results. If you don't need SloMo and shoot at 240fps it might be better to convert to 60fps (NTSC) using GP Studio or other software.
I'm also learning so please share your results.
Al

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