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Networkguru32 [Avatar]
Newbie Joined: Mar 11, 2015 20:34 Messages: 4 Offline
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I have decided to embark on the task of converting my grandparent's 8mm home movies to digital format. I'm looking for any tips or tricks from the CyberLink experts out there on how to proceed with editing and sorting these and producing something wonderful. At this point, I have used my trusty DV video camera aimed at the movie screen that I have projected each reel of 8mm film onto, to create 60 digital .AVI files. I tried my newer HD video camera, but those looked really grainy. Each 'reel' may have multiple scenes, for instance, a summer BBQ and Christmas. What are the best ways for breaking these 'reels' up into individual scenes, editing out the random shot of the ground or over exposure of the film, etc.? I have used other video editing software over the last 10 years or so, but am new to CyberLink PowerDirector 13. In other software, I have been able to split the video in the media library before moving it to the timeline, but it appears I cannot do this with CyberLink, so I have toyed with taking each reel, trimming it and saving the desired scene as a separate AVI. My current plan is to use those AVI's to put together a completed video, but I'd like to know if anyone has had any success with a different approach.
Myk
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Does your trusty DV video camera have any kind of video output?
I have many movies I made with a Canon 8mm cam, and used my Hauppauge capture card to digitize them. Worked great.
Only problem was sitting through so many hours of videos your eyes get bugged out.

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Networkguru32 [Avatar]
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Just to clarify, by 8mm, I'm talking actual cellulose film from the 1960's projected on a screen by a high powered light bulb and mechanical projector. The DV camera I used has a firewire port which I used to transfer all 60 reels, hour by hour, to digital AVI format, which now exist as 60 individual files on my hard drive. The long hours of capture are over (I hope) and now the even more hours of sorting, trimming and enhancing begin. Just looking for recommendations for taking these individual files and breaking them up and sorting them out.
BarryTheCrab
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Bring a file into PD.
It will now be in the library.
Right click the file.
One of the choices will be DETECT SCENES.
Adjust sensitivity slider to 3 or 4.
Click the DETECT button.
You'll be up and running.
If the results are not what you want then redo after adjusting the slider.
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Networkguru32 [Avatar]
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Barry,
That was exactly what I was looking for. It looks like I have my work cut out for me. Even with the sensitivity set to 0, it detected 17 clips on one reel where I only saw 4. Luckily, I can select multiple clips and merge them together to get just what I want and then change the alias of each clip to allow me to sort them out chronologically. Once I get that done, it's on to cleaning them up and making them look better, but that will probably be another post. Thanks for the tip.
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A random thought, and may be an idea.

Could you use a high definition web cam, and import straight into PD thus cutting out the DV camera ?

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jaymay22
Member Location: Sydney, NSW, Australia. Joined: Aug 27, 2009 07:18 Messages: 143 Offline
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Hi Networkguru,
I've been doing my own 1960s standard 8mm, and super8mm transfers for about 2 years now. I have had wonderful ideas come from this forum, and also some great ones from the '8mmforum' which you'll find online.

BTW. It's possible that the reason your digital film looks grainy is because your camcorder is set to a high ISO setting, like 'night scene'. You should set your camcorder to auto, or a normal day setting...or do a couple of tests. It might be defaulting to a night type setting. This will make your video more sensitive to light, so easier to take night time video, but it makes it grainy...the higher the iso the grainier.
So....either use a manual setting, or make sure it's just a daytime setting. It should turn out great, if your projection is nice and bright, and you're not leaving toooooo much black screen around the edge. Your digital camcorder should take great video of a projected image.

Your whole set up sounds familiar, but I have some minor changes. Incase it's of any use to you, here's how I do it. By the way, Cyberlink PD13 is absolutely FANTASTIC for the editing of my 1960s celluloid film. It's a 'trek' but it has wonderful results: Here's a snippet of mine (about 5mins long, that you can see what I mean, what I do with cyberlink pd13. I have cut this down and joined bits together so you can see a variety of sequences, the original is about 40 minutes long, and I have 5 of them so far!!) https://youtu.be/cR4X5wJys5A

So, here's what I do.
1. I have a digital camcorder. I use either my Panasonic Tm900, or a Sony pj760 handicam. They take High definition digital files with the .m2ts format. (incase you care about that??!)
2. The projector: MUST have a speed adjustment knob, otherwise you'll get the horizontal black 'flickering' bars due to the frame rate being slightly different, therefore frames get caught in the 'video' instead of being optically ignored.
3.I set up my projector on a table with the camcorder directly underneath it. With the camcorder and projection going, I make sure the camcorder is not making a shadow in the picture, however it can't be too far below the projector else a keystone effect will be visible.
4. I focus my camera on the screen, which is about 2ft away, and it's easiest (someone recently told me) to focus on some print or text on the screen with manual focus, prior to recording then leave it on that setting.
5. I fill the screen to about 80% with the projected picture, leaving some black areas around the picture, this means I'm definitely capturing the whole projection, it also looks better ultimately due to different screens sizes.
6. Test the projection, looking THROUGH the digital camcorder, to make sure there are no 'frames', flickering. If you can see them, adjust the projectors speed until you can't see the frames.
7. go! record the whole thing. No need to stop.
8. While you're recording, if you have more than one reel, 'announce' the name of the reel, (to your camcorder) and date etc, so that if you don't have time to edit it immediately, you won't forget which reel is which as the sound of your announcement will be on the recording.
9. Obviously import it to CPD13 however you usually do it.
...here's where I have my own system.
10. The first thing I do is listen to my announcement of reel name, and name the Project in CPD13.
11. Next I uncheck the 'sound' so that the projector sound is gone.
12. Next, if there is any major adjustment to colour, I do that to the whole big clip, before I start carving it up.
13. The big one, ...next I put a 'mask', I like the rectangular one, over the projection's edges because I don't like the fuzzy edges. you have to uncheck the 'aspect ratio' so you can drag the edges perfectly to the right spot.
14. NOW I'm in the position where all the 'whole' clip edits are done, and I can carve up.
15. First I play it 'fast forward' and split and cut out all the obvious wrong bits, feet, etc....
16. Then I start at the start, put in a title and introduce it.
I keep playing the video and split and cut bits out, add in some captions on certain pages using the Title library, and add in any effects, pips, or other things I want.
17. I often make a split between scenes, and add things like a nice transition when the subject matter changes.
18. Lastly I sometimes put credits at the end, to acknowledge my dad, the cameraman, say where the locations were etc.
19. Then I go back to the beginning. I ad in music to match with each section...using audio transitions where needed, or...if the sequence is shorter than the music, I often just fade it off and start up another piece of music to match with the next clip. The music goes from the title page to the credits, and I always think MAKES the video.

20. It's really important to then save your work, 'pack the project' into a folder and export it somewhere safe, incase you change your mind about something later. I learned that too, on this forum....this forum is fantastic.
Anyway, that's my system. It's fun!!!

I really hope you are getting good results, and find something useful in these notes,
best wishes, Jenny

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jaymay22
Member Location: Sydney, NSW, Australia. Joined: Aug 27, 2009 07:18 Messages: 143 Offline
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Cyberlink PD13 is absolutely FANTASTIC for the editing of my 1960s celluloid film. It's a 'trek' but it has wonderful results: Here's a snippet of mine (about 5mins long, that you can see what I mean, what I do with cyberlink pd13. I have cut this down and joined bits together so you can see a variety of sequences, (it's not all this disjointed!) the original is about 40 minutes long, and I have 5 of them so far!!)

https://youtu.be/cR4X5wJys5A

I've been doing my own transferring of 1960s standard 8mm and super 8mm film to video for about 2 years now. I ahve had wonderful ideas come from this forum, and I thought some people might like to know how to do it - this is my system, I know you all might have different ways of doing it, but this works for me.

So, here's what I do.
1. I have a digital camcorder. I use either my Panasonic Tm900, or a Sony pj760 handicam. They take High definition digital files with the .m2ts format. (incase you care about that??!) I have found this the easiest as some of my recipients don't have bluray so I make them dvds. AVCHD can be made into either dvd or blu ray, and looks great on a hd tv or pc.
2. The projector: MUST have a speed adjustment knob, otherwise you'll get the horizontal black 'flickering' bars due to the frame rate being slightly different, therefore frames get caught in the 'video' instead of being optically ignored.
3.I set up my projector on a table with the camcorder directly underneath it. With the camcorder and projection going, I make sure the camcorder is not making a shadow in the picture, however it can't be too far below the projector else a keystone effect will be visible.
4. I focus my camera on the screen, which is about 2ft away, and it's easiest (someone recently told me) to focus on some print or text on the screen with manual focus, prior to recording then leave it on that setting.
5. I fill the camcorcder screen to about 80% with the projected picture, leaving some black areas around the picture, this means I'm definitely capturing the whole projection, it also looks better ultimately due to different screens sizes - your film is 4:3, your tv is probably 16:9. by leaving black edges you can easily make it look nice in CLPD13.
6. turn the lights out, but leave a dimmed light on, both to reduce contrast, and also so you can see what you're doing! make sure there's no shadow on your screen. Test the projection, looking THROUGH the digital camcorder, to make sure there are no 'frames', flickering. If you can see them, adjust the projector's speed until you can't see the frames.
7. go! record the whole reel, No need to stop.
8. While you're recording, if you have more than one reel, 'announce' the name of the reel, (to your camcorder) and date etc, at the start, so that if you don't have time to edit it immediately, you won't forget which reel is which as the sound of your announcement will be on the recording. I sometimes also 'announce' places and people, if I remember them. This might be important to someone later, if they ever use the original files you're taking.
9. Obviously import it to CPD13 however you usually do it.
...here's where I have my own system.
10. The first thing I do is listen to my announcement of reel name, and name the Project in CPD13.
11. Next I uncheck the 'sound' in track one, so that the projector sound is gone.
12. Next, if there is any major adjustment to colour, I do that to the whole big clip, before I start carving it up. If your camcorder is good, it probably doesn't need it.
13. The big one, ...next I put a 'mask', I like the rectangular one, over the projection's edges because I don't like the fuzzy edges. you have to uncheck the 'aspect ratio' so you can drag the edges perfectly to the right spot. This tidies up the projections edges, and makes them nice and sharp. It makes it look better then, if you add captions or effects.
14. NOW I'm in the position where all the 'whole' clip edits are done, and I can carve up.
15. First I play it 'fast forward' and split and cut out all the obvious wrong bits, feet, etc....
16. Then I start at the start, put in a title and introduce it.
I keep playing the video and split and cut bits out, add in some captions on certain pages using the Title library, and add in any effects, pips, or other things I want.
17. I often make a split between scenes, and add things like a nice transition when the subject matter changes. It also helps when the film sort of 'reddens' or fades between scenes as it tends to do with age. You can delete these. I add titles to christmases, and birthdays, and important things like big holidays or 'first day of school etc'.
18. Lastly I sometimes put credits at the end, to acknowledge my dad, the cameraman, say where the locations were etc.
19. Then I go back to the beginning. I ad in music to match with each section...using audio transitions where needed, or...if the sequence is shorter than the music, I often just fade it off and start up another piece of music to match with the next clip. The music goes from the title page to the credits, I try to research instrumentals that match the era and feeling of the movie, and I always think MAKES the video.

20. It's really important to then save your work, many times, as different incarnations of the project 'a, b, c, etc.', so that if something goes wrong, you can always go back to the last time it worked properly. Then, at the end, when you've produced your video and happy with it as finished, 'pack the project' into a folder and export it somewhere safe, incase you change your mind about something later. I learned that too, on this forum....this forum is fantastic.
Anyway, that's my system. It's fun!!!

Most of the people here already know most of this, but I thought...after a couple of years of testing and trying, and tricks and tips, others may get use out of this 'how to.'
Jenny Jenny
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