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Debbie123 [Avatar]
Newbie Joined: Jun 05, 2013 15:43 Messages: 13 Offline
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Does any know where start to look into fees for music license.

Ie I am a photographer and want to put images to video with the persons favourite song which means a download from iTunes and inserting the music into PD13. Which it allows but as far as I know there is not a warning or link to advise.

I will be selling these DVDs

Thanks for help

debs
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1. iTunes are to be used only on the 5 devices that are registered to an account. That means no commercial usage.
http://www.apple.com/legal/internet-services/itunes/us/terms.html
2. Power Director cannot be used for commercial purposes:
http://www.cyberlink.com/support/product-faq-content.do?id=17447&prodId=4
Debbie123 [Avatar]
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Thanks for the info. Which music is to be used in the timeline if you cannot use itunes? what am I missing.

I dont understand all the legal things around this. So I can only use PD13 videos for myself (which is what I do now) but wanted to integrate these into my photography business, so I cannot use Power Director to do commercial videos if I obtain a music licence.

Does anyone know?
Thanks
Debbie
Fly74 [Avatar]
Newbie Location: Ohio Joined: Jan 21, 2015 20:57 Messages: 29 Offline
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Cannot imagine that a paid copy of PD 13 could not be used for commercial purposes?

Debbie123 [Avatar]
Newbie Joined: Jun 05, 2013 15:43 Messages: 13 Offline
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Apologises I think I mislead by misuse of commercial. I would like to create a pd13 music video using the photo shoot images of thd child or family using their favourite song. However u would and selling this as part of my work, but it looks like i cannot do this. .....it can i with the right licenses
1Nina
Senior Contributor Location: Norway, 50km southwest of Oslo Joined: Oct 08, 2008 04:12 Messages: 1070 Offline
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Hi Debbie,

You are in a territory which is somewhat difficult to navigate in.
This has become so because so many people are violating copyright in so many ways.
It’s one of the darker sides of internet.

For years we have been bombarded with encouragement to “share, share, share!!”
It’s everywhere, like a mantra.
I wish this encouragement had been “share what is yours” – or something similar.
Whether it is the written word, music, photo or video – we can’t publish it or sell it for money
under our own name as if we actually created it. If we do, it’s no less than theft of other persons work.
Internet is in so many ways a blessing, but sadly – it has made many people thieves,
often with absolutely no intent to be one.

On the other hand, there are many, many people out there who actually share and give
away their work for free. Some just ask for their name to be credited and some don’t ask for
anything at all. I find it amazing!
You also have sites which provide you with music+license for a fee – and with that you are
good to go. In your case, I would recommend you to look up on royalty free music sites.

As for software and commercial use;
During the past 5-6 months there have been several questions about this on this forum.
In these months, the answers given have been “no- you can’t”.
I might have missed it, but I have not seen a different answer to ; whether you put together
1 dvd for a family’s holiday and charge 20 dollars for it – or you burn 100 dvds for sale at 50 dollars each – or you make a commercial for a company which is published on the net.

Nina


Just something.
https://www.petitpoisvideo.com
Debbie123 [Avatar]
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THanks Nina, it looks like I cannot use this as a sale. As you say no intent to take someone's work(music) it is often an assumption that when you pay for it (ie buy the CD you can use it) but there is much detail behind this. Thanks so much for spending the time being so thorough and informative.

Thanks
Debbie
Debbie123 [Avatar]
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I am now thinking.....if I obtain royalty fee music can I still not create MY photos in the power director programme and sell them? You said it was discussed on the forums was that the NO answer that came up. If so is there a reason why I cannot sell if the music side is sorted?
1Nina
Senior Contributor Location: Norway, 50km southwest of Oslo Joined: Oct 08, 2008 04:12 Messages: 1070 Offline
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The (no) commercial use has to do with codec/encoding.
I am not the tech person in here, so I hope another with deeper interest in the tech stuff
will answer you (in an understandable way!).
There is always somebody owning something and when we pay for the software-
in this case PD – we apparently pay for private use of the codec/encoding.
(Not sure if this is the case for all.)


Nina

Just something.
https://www.petitpoisvideo.com
optodata
Senior Contributor Location: California, USA Joined: Sep 16, 2011 16:04 Messages: 8630 Offline
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Quote: I am now thinking.....if I obtain royalty fee music can I still not create MY photos in the power director programme and sell them? You said it was discussed on the forums was that the NO answer that came up. If so is there a reason why I cannot sell if the music side is sorted?

Like Nina says, this is a confusing area - but you are free to use royalty-free music and graphics in whatever format you wish. Once you pay for the license, you can freely sell your creations with the embedded content. Please note that depending on the details of the license, you may be required to give credit to the royalty-free content's author, and if you post on YouTube and want to monetize your productions, you will need to provide a link to the royalty-free license terms in your comments.

I know it's a lot of extra work on our part (as creators), but it also protects the rights of people who have made their creations available to everyone. There is a royalty-free image, sound or song for pretty much every imaginable situation, so just search for "royalty-free music" (for example) and then choose the content and price that works for you. Some sites are very expensive and some are very inexpensive so it makes sense to look around quite a bit before choosing.

Please note that you CANNOT use any royalty-free MP3 that's DOWNLOADED from Amazon.com because the download license explicitly states that all downloaded content is for personal use ONLY. This was one of the most ridiculous things I've encountered because the only purpose of royalty-free anything is to use it in products for sale, but that ability was voided by using Amazon's downloading service

You CAN use the content from any royalty-free CD or DVD you buy from Amazon in your productions, but you'll need to be OK with the shipping time.

Fortunately, there are tons of other providers out there and all the SmartSound clips that are included with PD13 can be used commercially. They have lots more really good music, but the tracks are generally fairly expensive. They had a sale about a year ago and I was able to buy several albums for $29 each, so keep an eye out for that. The best thing about SmartSound tracks is that you get every version of each track, whereas with many other sites you'd need to buy each version separately if you wanted variations like that.

Also, anything in the public domain can be used without paying a license but it can sometimes be difficult to be certain that nobody has claimed the rights to content that's supposed to be public domain. For example all audio and video recordings of MLK's "I have a dream" speech are owned by the King family and you cannot embed anything without first getting permission, even if the video is not for sale or (in my case), a recording of a school concert.

In my humble opinion, paying someone for a royalty-free license is the simplest, cleanest and most reliable approach.

Anyway, if you look on this forum you'll find lots of other providers that PD users like, and I hope my answer clears up some of the uncertainty you've been facing

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GGRussell [Avatar]
Senior Contributor Joined: Jan 08, 2012 11:38 Messages: 709 Offline
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As for MPEG 2 patents, more than half of them expired 2012.
http://www.robglidden.com/2011/12/half-of-mpeg-2-patents-expire-in-2012/ Intel i7 4770k, 16GB, GTX1060 3GB, Two 240GB SSD, 4TB HD, Sony HDR-TD20V 3D camcorder, Sony SLT-A65VK for still images, Windows 10 Pro, 64bit
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Debbie123 [Avatar]
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Thank you do much. I will look into the music license details. So I take it that there are no issues with selling dvds with videos I have created on pd13

Fly74 [Avatar]
Newbie Location: Ohio Joined: Jan 21, 2015 20:57 Messages: 29 Offline
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What about using the PD 13 software for commercial use when I am using all my own content?
optodata
Senior Contributor Location: California, USA Joined: Sep 16, 2011 16:04 Messages: 8630 Offline
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I've never encountered any problems other than YouTube automatically flagging clips with licensed royalty-free music and claiming that they were the property of a third party.

I would think you'd never have any issues making and selling photo DVDs to individuals and using royalty-free content to compliment your photography

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optodata
Senior Contributor Location: California, USA Joined: Sep 16, 2011 16:04 Messages: 8630 Offline
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Quote: What about using the PD 13 software for commercial use when I am using all my own content?
Again, there shouldn't be any issues. The license requirements sonic pointed out are aimed at mass producers, and the MpegLA.com (licensing agreement) site clearly states exemptions for people like us.

Here's a quote from the H.264 section: "The License employs annual limitations to provide cost predictability, threshold levels below which certain royalties will not be charged in order to encourage early-stage adopters and minimize the impact on lower volume users or demo products, and certain licensing options that require no royalty reports."

P.S. I guess that means if you really hit the big time, you'll need to deal with licensing then!

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Quote: As for MPEG 2 patents, more than half of them expired 2012.
http://www.robglidden.com/2011/12/half-of-mpeg-2-patents-expire-in-2012/

But if you use them in a DVD format, that's not expired...
Quote: Here's a quote from the H.264 section: "The License employs annual limitations to provide cost predictability, threshold levels below which certain royalties will not be charged in order to encourage early-stage adopters and minimize the impact on lower volume users or demo products, and certain licensing options that require no royalty reports."

What that means is "if you are a small potato, our lawyers fees won't cover the punitive damages that we can extort from you, so you are in clear"


On the other hand, I understand the need for a FAIR system for intellectual property - how would be if I get my grubby mittens on one of wonderful videos that Nina makes and start selling it as it is mine? Not cool.
Same with video compression formats - somebody spend money to develop the algorithms and created the h264 standard. Of course they want money for that.
Some other NLE software include in the price the fees for those formats - for example Sony Vegas Pro (it's easy they are one of the owners of those formats). That's like $600. But, the Movie Studio, that doesn't include those licenses is only $80.

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Fly74 [Avatar]
Newbie Location: Ohio Joined: Jan 21, 2015 20:57 Messages: 29 Offline
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Does that mean there is a commercial version of PD that has all the licenses to become a video billionaire? LOL
Michael8511
Contributor Location: U.S.A. Indiana Joined: Jan 14, 2012 16:12 Messages: 374 Offline
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I go to the Vimeo Music Store and pay a $1.99 anymore. Sometimes I use this site for free music.

http://freemusicarchive.org/music/Kevin_MacLeod/ Intel i7 5960X overclock to 4 Ghz 16 GB of ram.
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The $1.99 license on Vimeo is also for Personal use only. Same music, for Small Biz is $98.
Others are $0.99 for Personal and $4.99 for Professional.
Only Creative Commons is free for Small Biz - while giving credit to the original video’s creator.

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Fly74 [Avatar]
Newbie Location: Ohio Joined: Jan 21, 2015 20:57 Messages: 29 Offline
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Thanks for all the info and links.
I was wondering more about the Power Director software itself? If I can use PD for professional use?
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