PD13 uses only 1gb of ram when rendering, is this normal?

Rooverz1979

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Dec 14, 2014 13:27

Hello,

Is it normal that when i render mt2s files to mkv (1080 50p) the ram load is only around 1gb?
I have 16 ram available.

Kind regards,

Peter I7-4910MQ, 16gb ram, 256 samsung evo 850 pro, gtx-860m GPU

SoNic67

Senior Contributor Joined: Sep 27, 2014 14:14 Messages: 1308 Offline

Dec 14, 2014 13:52

What size is the video file? Can you post a link?

Personally I would advise against using 50FPS in any personal video. There is no reason why anybody should use that anymore - unless you are working for Public TV, constrained by licensing and backwards compatibility requirements.

Rooverz1979

Newbie Joined: Dec 03, 2014 18:58 Messages: 32 Offline

Dec 14, 2014 14:09

Hi Sonic67

The files i use are short (30sec-1.30 sec) videos from a Sony foto camera (m2ts files 1080 50p).
I have put some of the files on my timeline and created clips from 2.30 minutes, to 20.00 minutes.
This does not make any difference with my gpu use.
Is this maybe because of the short clips i use?

And the reason why i use 50p is the pan from left to right quality.
With only 25p i see some stuttering.

Beside that my sony only records avchd in 1080 50i or 1080 50p, or lower (non hd quality).
Other setting is MP4 that is 1440 and 24p.
On the mp4 setting i see much more stuttering from left to right.

What kind of file do you want me to post? I7-4910MQ, 16gb ram, 256 samsung evo 850 pro, gtx-860m GPU

SoNic67

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Dec 14, 2014 17:39

How about using 60FPS? Your TV can work with that... is the camera not working with that?

As for files, if they are 1080p from pictures, I won't expect too much memory load. After all, they will be loaded one by one and rendered on HDD/SDD file.

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Rooverz1979

Newbie Joined: Dec 03, 2014 18:58 Messages: 32 Offline

Dec 15, 2014 04:09

Hello,

What kind of files give high memory load?
I never see high memory load on my laptop, also not with gaming...(maybe there is something wrong with the laptop?)
I use 64bit windows 8.1 and windows show all memory available

Maybe you can post a link with a file that gives high memory load?

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Dafydd B

Senior Contributor Joined: Aug 26, 2006 08:20 Messages: 11973 Offline

Dec 15, 2014 05:46

FYI, In a PAL area many TV's I suspect don't handle 60p NTSC. I've a newish TV and it wont accept my mp4 59.94 fps whereas it'll accept 25 and 30 fps (USB connected). One has to be careful about advising any editor to produce footage to a specific frame rate. An editor should simply check their own and other users set up before final production in my view.
Dafydd

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SoNic67

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Dec 15, 2014 06:31

Really, what TV do you have? I never saw a new HDTV that can handle 50p and not 60p. Probably is intentionally crippled, I saw that on Sony long time ago (market division purposes) - but this was on SD TV's and DVD players.
In Romania 99% of all the SDTV and HDTV sold from, oh lets say 1995-2000, are fully multistandard.

As opposed to less-known brands as my Vizio 47" or the older Polaroid 32": as an US model it doesn't even list PAL or 50p (or 24p) anywhere in documentation but it has no issues with them.

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SoNic67

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Dec 15, 2014 06:50

Quote:
Maybe you can post a link with a file that gives high memory load?

Sorry for off-topic. I never looked too hard into this issue, I just know that if I use a weaker video card, its utilization increases. I just re-tested a 7 minute 720p video (original size is 453MB) - convert to AVC h264, 080p, 60fps, 28Mbps, no SVRT. Well... you are right, is not good:

GPU (Quadro6000, CUDA encoding) - 33%
Video memory usage (280MB without PD13) - 435MB
CPU (6 core/12thread Xeon 2.76GHz) - 35%
HDD (3HDD in RAID 5, 100MB/s tested) - 5MB/s
Memory (15GB DDR3) - PD13 usage - 1010MB (less than 1GB)

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Rooverz1979

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Dec 15, 2014 06:58

Quote:

Quote:
Maybe you can post a link with a file that gives high memory load?

Sorry for off-topic. I never looked too hard into this issue, I just know that if I use a weaker video card, its utilization increases. I just re-tested a 7 minute 720p video (original size is 453MB) - convert to AVC h264, 080p, 60fps, 28Mbps, no SVRT. Well... you are right, is not good:

GPU (Quadro6000, CUDA encoding) - 33%
CPU (6 core/12thread Xeon 2.76GHz) - 35%
HDD (3HDD in RAID 5, 100MB/s tested) - 5MB/s
Memory (15GB DDR3) - PD13 usage - 1010MB (less than 1GB)

Is this the way it should work?
Do we have to report this to powerdirector?

And off topic;
I think most tv's are hardware capable of playing 24p, 25p, 50p, 60p (my Philips TV can play all).
But I think that the bottleneck is the software on the new smart tv's. They probably can not play all video files I'n all formats... I7-4910MQ, 16gb ram, 256 samsung evo 850 pro, gtx-860m GPU

SoNic67

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Dec 15, 2014 07:00

Quote: Is this the way it should work?
Do we have to report this to powerdirector?

Well, maybe Dafydd can report this, he has closer ties with CL

You can add your results here too...

Mine:

GPU (Quadro6000, CUDA encoding) - 33%
Video memory usage (280MB without PD13) - 435MB
CPU (6 core/12thread Xeon 2.76GHz) - 35%
HDD (3HDD in RAID 5, 100MB/s tested) - 5MB/s
Memory (15GB DDR3) - PD13 usage - 1010MB (less than 1GB)

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Rooverz1979

Newbie Joined: Dec 03, 2014 18:58 Messages: 32 Offline

Dec 15, 2014 07:04

Quote:

Quote: Is this the way it should work?
Do we have to report this to powerdirector?

Well, maybe Dafydd can report this, he has closer ties with CL

You can add your results here too...

Mine:

GPU (Quadro6000, CUDA encoding) - 33%
Video memory usage (280MB without PD13) - 435MB
CPU (6 core/12thread Xeon 2.76GHz) - 35%
HDD (3HDD in RAID 5, 100MB/s tested) - 5MB/s
Memory (15GB DDR3) - PD13 usage - 1010MB (less than 1GB)

Hello Sonic67,

Can you contact Dafydd about this?
I must go to work now

If Dafydd needs also mine results I can post them later...

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SoNic67

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Dec 15, 2014 09:02

From what I could see, looks like PD loads small chunks from the input video file, process them and then writes the result on the new video file - in smaller chunks. I see spikes in HDD usage, small in duration, consistent with that (both on read and write) all the time during conversion.
That's a very poor use of I/O resources. Software is acting like a 32 bit software (those are all hard limited to 2GB of memory usage) - is doing everything it can do to stay at 1GB RAM usage and below 256kB of video memory. That's ridiculous.

I wonder if our "64 bit software" still has code from older 32 bit versions inside that makes it act like that...

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SoNic67

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Dec 15, 2014 09:03

Sorry, I am at work too now...

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Rooverz1979

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Dec 15, 2014 17:04

U have sent dafydd an pm I7-4910MQ, 16gb ram, 256 samsung evo 850 pro, gtx-860m GPU

SoNic67

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Dec 15, 2014 18:57

I made a 6GB RAM disk. Benchmarked 900MB/s.
Copied my 900MB file on it and render it on the same location. Well... surprise. Nothing changed, still same GPU and CPU utilization. Well, almost - CPU raised from 36% to 40%... Still I have more that half of cores not used.
So, on my system, no matter how fast my CPU, GPU or my disk it is, no speed gain is achieved in rendering a video file.

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Dafydd B

Senior Contributor Joined: Aug 26, 2006 08:20 Messages: 11973 Offline

Dec 16, 2014 03:40

Hi People,
I have been monitoring the thread (as I do) and thanks for the PM. CyberLink will want more info and if you can supply, I'll pass on your concerns etc.
1. Diagnostic of your PC,
2. A screenshot of the Edit Workspace with your project insitu - so we all can see the structure/make up etc.
3. What version of PDR13 you have?
4. The MediaInfo of the video you're editing and rendering from.
5. The selection you're making. Producing to what exactly - the exact profile being selected.

With all that data - there is something for CL to get on with to check out PDR13 and on a set up similar to yours etc.

Please check out the guides, Part A, B, E, F, J and present the information as requested there.
Link: http://forum.cyberlink.com/forum/posts/list/40225.page

Dafydd

Rooverz1979

Newbie Joined: Dec 03, 2014 18:58 Messages: 32 Offline

Dec 16, 2014 05:31

Hi,

Here are my results:

1-see attachment
2-see attachment
3-PowerDirector 13 Ultra 13.0.2403.0
4-see attachment
5-rendering to AVC .h264 mkv 1920/1080 50p (28mbps)

I hope these are the correct data you asked for.
I appreciatie it when i hear something back from Cyberlink
about this issue.

Filename	MediaInfo-Rooverz1979.txt	Download
Description
Filesize	3 Kbytes
Downloaded:	262 time(s)


Filename	foto-editpd13-Rooverz1979.png	Download
Description
Filesize	1750 Kbytes
Downloaded:	116 time(s)

Filename	DxDiag-Rooverz79.txt	Download
Description
Filesize	84 Kbytes
Downloaded:	473 time(s)

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SoNic67

Senior Contributor Joined: Sep 27, 2014 14:14 Messages: 1308 Offline

Dec 16, 2014 06:51

Dafydd - is your experience different? Can you run task manager and report memory/CPU usage while editing a file?

My DXDDIAG (64 bit) is attached. PD13 13.0.2403.0.

I am importing a 1280x720 10MB/s video and exporting to AVC/M2TS at 1920x1080p, 60FPS, 28MB/s. I had to create a custom profile, the default profile would not work.
Mediainfo attached.


Filename	settings.PNG	Download
Description
Filesize	57 Kbytes
Downloaded:	120 time(s)

Filename	DxDiag.txt	Download
Description
Filesize	48 Kbytes
Downloaded:	350 time(s)

Filename	mediainfo.txt	Download
Description
Filesize	3 Kbytes
Downloaded:	265 time(s)

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Dafydd B

Senior Contributor Joined: Aug 26, 2006 08:20 Messages: 11973 Offline

Dec 16, 2014 11:03

Hi both ,
Thank you for posting the information I'll pass everything onto CyberLink for them to checkout and resolve.

I'm not using the beta patch 2403. The report/issue should be in the 2403 beta thread and CL would pick it up - monitoring the topic.

Dafydd

SoNic67

Senior Contributor Joined: Sep 27, 2014 14:14 Messages: 1308 Offline

Dec 16, 2014 11:43

Dafydd

Thanks for following up!

I wouldn't think it is a beta issue... I could roll-back to check, but I think is easier if you test it quickly - in a random rendering, with windows task manager running, do you get more than 2GB memory usage for PD13? How about CPU % and GPU %?
The GPU utilization can be found with GPU-Z (the app has a .zip version that does not require installation on your PC).