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dpriest [Avatar]
Newbie Joined: Oct 07, 2008 13:51 Messages: 47 Offline
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One other thing. This video was recorded from the YES network which is the Yankee network so I believe it is 1920x1080 Here is the mediainfo for the original .m2ts file recorded:

General
ID : 1 (0x1)
Complete name : D:\Jeter\Jeter Final Game Yankee Stadium.m2ts
Format : MPEG-TS
File size : 33.5 GiB
Duration : 4h 51mn
Overall bit rate mode : Variable
Overall bit rate : 16.4 Mbps

Video #1
ID : 1984 (0x7C0)
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : MPEG Video
Format version : Version 2
Format profile : Main@High
Format settings, BVOP : Yes
Format settings, Matrix : Custom
Format settings, GOP : Variable
Format settings, picture structure : Frame
Codec ID : 2
Duration : 4h 51mn
Bit rate mode : Variable
Maximum bit rate : 20.0 Mbps
Width : 1 920 pixels
Height : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate : 29.970 fps
Standard : Component
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Interlaced
Scan order : Bottom Field First
Compression mode : Lossy
Color primaries : BT.709
Transfer characteristics : BT.709
Matrix coefficients : BT.709

Video #2
ID : 2304 (0x900)
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : MPEG Video
Format version : Version 2
Format profile : Main@Main
Format settings, BVOP : Yes
Format settings, Matrix : Custom
Codec ID : 2
Duration : 4h 51mn
Bit rate mode : Variable
Maximum bit rate : 7 000 Kbps
Width : 528 pixels
Height : 480 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 4:3
Frame rate : 29.970 fps
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Compression mode : Lossy

Audio #1
ID : 1985 (0x7C1)
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : AC-3
Format/Info : Audio Coding 3
Mode extension : CM (complete main)
Format settings, Endianness : Big
Codec ID : 129
Duration : 4h 51mn
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 384 Kbps
Channel(s) : 6 channels
Channel positions : Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth : 16 bits
Compression mode : Lossy
Delay relative to video : -299ms
Stream size : 802 MiB (2%)
Language : English

Audio #2
ID : 2305 (0x901)
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : AC-3
Format/Info : Audio Coding 3
Mode extension : CM (complete main)
Format settings, Endianness : Big
Codec ID : 129
Duration : 4h 51mn
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 192 Kbps
Channel(s) : 2 channels
Channel positions : Front: L R
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth : 16 bits
Compression mode : Lossy
Delay relative to video : -17h 9mn
Stream size : 401 MiB (1%)
Language : English

Text #1
ID : 1984 (0x7C0)-CC1
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : EIA-608
Muxing mode : A/53 / DTVCC Transport
Muxing mode, more info : Muxed in Video #1
Duration : 4h 51mn
Bit rate mode : Constant
Stream size : 0.00 Byte (0%)

Text #2
ID : 1984 (0x7C0)-1
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : EIA-708
Muxing mode : A/53 / DTVCC Transport
Muxing mode, more info : Muxed in Video #1
Duration : 4h 51mn
Bit rate mode : Constant
Stream size : 0.00 Byte (0%)

Text #3
ID : 1984 (0x7C0)-2
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : EIA-708
Muxing mode : A/53 / DTVCC Transport
Muxing mode, more info : Muxed in Video #1
Duration : 4h 51mn
Bit rate mode : Constant
Stream size : 0.00 Byte (0%)

Text #4
ID : 2304 (0x900)-CC1
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : EIA-608
Muxing mode : A/53 / DTVCC Transport
Muxing mode, more info : Muxed in Video #2
Bit rate mode : Constant
Stream size : 0.00 Byte (0%)

Text #5
ID : 2304 (0x900)-CC1
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : EIA-608
Muxing mode : SCTE 20
Muxing mode, more info : Muxed in Video #2
Bit rate mode : Constant
Stream size : 0.00 Byte (0%)


Here is the MediaInfo stats for the .ts file I am experimenting with:

General
ID : 1 (0x1)
Complete name : D:\Jeter\Finalized Files\Jeter Final Game Yankee Stadium (02).ts
Format : MPEG-TS
File size : 193 MiB
Duration : 1mn 25s
Overall bit rate mode : Variable
Overall bit rate : 18.9 Mbps

Video
ID : 1984 (0x7C0)
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : MPEG Video
Format version : Version 2
Format profile : Main@High
Format settings, BVOP : Yes
Format settings, Matrix : Custom
Format settings, GOP : M=2, N=14
Format settings, picture structure : Frame
Codec ID : 2
Duration : 1mn 25s
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : 17.5 Mbps
Maximum bit rate : 20.0 Mbps
Width : 1 920 pixels
Height : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate : 29.970 fps
Standard : Component
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Interlaced
Scan order : Bottom Field First
Compression mode : Lossy
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.282
Time code of first frame : 00:00:00;00
Time code source : Group of pictures header
Stream size : 178 MiB (93%)
Color primaries : BT.709
Transfer characteristics : BT.709
Matrix coefficients : BT.709

Audio
ID : 1985 (0x7C1)
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : AC-3
Format/Info : Audio Coding 3
Mode extension : CM (complete main)
Format settings, Endianness : Big
Codec ID : 6
Duration : 1mn 25s
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 384 Kbps
Channel(s) : 6 channels
Channel positions : Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth : 16 bits
Compression mode : Lossy
Delay relative to video : 23ms
Stream size : 3.91 MiB (2%)
Language : English

Text #1
ID : 1984 (0x7C0)-CC1
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : EIA-608
Muxing mode : A/53 / DTVCC Transport
Muxing mode, more info : Muxed in Video #1
Duration : 1mn 25s
Bit rate mode : Constant
Stream size : 0.00 Byte (0%)

Text #2
ID : 1984 (0x7C0)-1
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : EIA-708
Muxing mode : A/53 / DTVCC Transport
Muxing mode, more info : Muxed in Video #1
Duration : 1mn 25s
Bit rate mode : Constant
Stream size : 0.00 Byte (0%)

Text #3
ID : 1984 (0x7C0)-2
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : EIA-708
Muxing mode : A/53 / DTVCC Transport
Muxing mode, more info : Muxed in Video #1
Duration : 1mn 25s
Bit rate mode : Constant
Stream size : 0.00 Byte (0%)


dpriest [Avatar]
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Since nothing seems to be working with PD I am wondering if some of these settings are wrong such as under Edit-Preferences: Produce, etc. I have disable HA and do not use SVRT.
dpriest [Avatar]
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Here is the latest update. I took the VideoStudio .m2t file and created a disc with PD12 setting the codec to H.264 which played great I then tried the whole thing in PD12: Imported the .ts file and first produced an AVC H.264 file(.m2ts), TFF. I then closed PD, reopened and went to Create Disc and loaded the AVC file I just created and burned it using H.264 codec and making sure no Hardware Acceleration was on. The disc played terrible with lots of jittey mice teeth and jagged motion
tomasc [Avatar]
Senior Contributor Joined: Aug 25, 2011 12:33 Messages: 6464 Offline
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I do see something in your mediainfo files that would cause a problem but before going on would still need to know the name and model BD player you use to test this.
dpriest [Avatar]
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The Blu-Ray player is the Samsung BD-E5700. What are you finding with the MediaInfo, and why does VS handle the rendering without problems and PD does not?
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Thank you for the detailed mediaifo. Your 2 year old Samsung player is choking on the high data(bit) rate created on PD12. See the user manual:
page5 "Your player will not play content that has been recorded on a BD-R or USB device at a bitrate that exceeds 25Mbps."
page7 "Files having higher bit or frame rates than standard may stutter when played back." The standard for BD is 17Mbps.
page29 Good News here, You can create on DVD and play avchd disc 1080i (below 17mbps which is the standard) which saves on those expensive BD disc while you experiment.
See this link on 2nd and 3rd thread, 24mbps h.264 chokes even on some pc's, let alone standalone BD players: http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?85587-Good-1080P-bitrate-for-hard-drive-playback&s=ddcd793255487b9e406059407a623067

dpriest wrote: 16th thread "A little clarification on my last message. Both of the discs burned by VS and PD had no mice teeth or lines. The only difference is that the disc burned by VS had great video quality while the disc burned by PD had hesitations or not fluid movement of the players.

I beleive you possibly chose something like h.264 HD 1920x1080/60i(24 Mbps) on the PD12 encoding which would choke your samsung but not vlc during high motion which would exceed 25 mbps. See your mediainfo below.
dpriest wrote: 19th thread produced files: MediaInfo For VS File Overall bit rate : 16.8 Mbps Maximum Overall bit rate : 20.3 Mbps MediaInfo For PD File Overall bit rate : 23.1 Mbps Maximum Overall bit rate : 23.9 Mbps

During periods of high motion, the bit rate can be way over the 25Mbs on the PD12 file. You don't have the safety margin of the VS encoded file which was encoded at a lower bit rate. If you played that particular disc on your computer using vlc, it may be okay.

dpriest wrote: 22nd thread: Here is the latest update. I took the VideoStudio .m2t file and created a disc with PD12 setting the codec to H.264 which played great I then tried the whole thing in PD12: Imported the .ts file and first produced an AVC H.264 file(.m2ts), TFF. I then closed PD, reopened and went to Create Disc and loaded the AVC file I just created and burned it using H.264 codec and making sure no Hardware Acceleration was on. The disc played terrible with lots of jittey mice teeth and jagged motion

More than likely in this experiment, on the first PD12 disc you created the disc on PD12 as h.264 HD1980x1080/60i which is 17Mbps which you said played great.
On the second PD12 created disk you chose not the 17Mbps encoding like the first time but h.264 HD 1980x1080p which hard coded the two fields as one, You can expect to see mice teeth artifacts and video judder on both the samsung and your computer using vlc. This is a mistake since your original is interlaced. Now you see mice teeth that you did not see on your other two PD12 created disc.

Can't see all your options for encoding in PD12 at once. Use the scroll bar arrows to see all your options.

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dpriest [Avatar]
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OK, I am trying to see what the next step should be. I want to put these videos on discs that I will be able to see now, but also more importantly, years from now. Are you suggesting I create avchd discs? Can I create this on BD, because the game is over 25gb. What's my next step?
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Not sure what you meant by Can't see all your options for encoding in PD12 at once. Use the scroll bar arrows to see all your options.
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OK. I encoded the .ts file with H.264 16Mbps TFF and then loaded the .m2ts file just created into share and burned an AVCHD 1920x1080i 4.7 DVD and it played the video with mice teeth and a bit blur like before. I noticed when I select TFF, it does not indicate it. Check out the mediainfo:

General
ID : 0 (0x0)
Complete name : C:\Users\David\Documents\CyberLink\PowerDirector\12.0\H.264 16Mbps TFF.m2ts
Format : MPEG-TS
File size : 166 MiB
Duration : 1mn 25s
Overall bit rate mode : Variable
Overall bit rate : 16.3 Mbps
Maximum Overall bit rate : 17.4 Mbps

Video
ID : 4113 (0x1011)
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile : High@L4.0
Format settings, CABAC : Yes
Format settings, ReFrames : 2 frames
Format settings, GOP : M=3, N=13
Codec ID : 27
Duration : 1mn 25s
Bit rate : 15.1 Mbps
Width : 1 920 pixels
Height : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate : 29.970 fps
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : MBAFF
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.242
Stream size : 153 MiB (92%)

Audio
ID : 4352 (0x1100)
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : AC-3
Format/Info : Audio Coding 3
Mode extension : CM (complete main)
Format settings, Endianness : Big
Codec ID : 129
Duration : 1mn 25s
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 448 Kbps
Channel(s) : 6 channels
Channel positions : Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth : 16 bits
Compression mode : Lossy
Delay relative to video : 38ms
Stream size : 4.54 MiB (3%)
dpriest [Avatar]
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Sorry, It did not come out, but what is MBAFF? In VS when I selected TFF, it kept it. I think this is where the problem is.

Scan type : MBAFF
tomasc [Avatar]
Senior Contributor Joined: Aug 25, 2011 12:33 Messages: 6464 Offline
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Think,think,think
Think back. Your tests already determined that the BFF flag was erronous and that .ts video is really TFF. PD12 had no option in produce to change it with a custom profile. So you don't need to produce at all. In create disc, you do have the option and you were burning at the 24 mbps, not the 17 mbps. I don't know why you keep missing it. In my PD12, I can't see all those options and have to use the scroll bars to scroll to see them all before selecting one. You have already created one good PD12 BD by your own admission.

According to your own samsung owner's manual. you can create a avchd disc on DVD to play on it. I don't even want to go into any of this to open another can of worms if you don't already know this. Just trying to save you some money.

Hope others who have your particular cable set top box chime in to help here.
dpriest [Avatar]
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My brain is fried at this point. I was able to take the .m2ts video rendered in VS and burn it to a disc in PD with great quality. I have tried so many combos, and do not remember them all but the one thing I know for certain is that I was not able to produce a great quality disc where I start with my .ts file, encode/render it and then burn it to a disc all in PD. I would like to do all of it in PD so I can uninstall VS and just stick with PD.
dpriest [Avatar]
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Here is a silly question, but would PD13 give me the same problem as PD12 regarding this issue?
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