Quote: 1) If your project is under 8.5GB, then select DVD-8.5GB & the HD 1920x1080/50p profile then In "Burn" then select "Create a Folder" and you will get a full bitrate NTFS compatible (long file name) structure that you can then burn to a Disk using a third party program like ImgBurn

You can always use this simple technique I discussed ages ago and still works in PD13. The burn process, since PD9, can be a two part process if “Burn to disc” and “Create a folder” are both used. This will produce the warning note shown in the pic AVCHD_large. Doing this, PD13 will finish the “Create a folder” phase and then error on the “Burn to disc” phase. I simply use a spare dvd+rw 4.7GB disc so I waste no discs as it errors on the burn anyhow. The error msg will depend on media being used. What one has after the failed burn is a valid AVCHD Folder in the location specified.

You can then burn the folder to BD with just windows, ImgBurn, or your favorite utility. Resulting video for 1920x1080/60p is just over 25Mbps for the video. Keep in mind, this will require a AVCHD 2.0 compatible player, which the PS3 mentioned earlier is not.


Jeff

Thanks Jeff, You are right (I was trying to do this without a disc in the burner and just using "Create a folder" but it would not allow this).

I'm testing now but it seems you can with projects larger than a DVD:
- Put a DVD in the Burner
- Select "Burn to Disk"
- Select "Create a folder"
- "Start Burning"
- Eject the DVD from the burner

The project is running at present but so far PD is creating a high bit rate Long File name BD/AVCHD Structure that you can then burn to a BD later (using ImgBurn etc). I'll post back later what happens when the folder creation has finished and PD finds the DVD is gone!

If this all works as expected it is a much better option than the Registry Hack I posted.

Thanks
Nathan PD 64 Bit-Win10 64 Bit-32GB RAM-80TB HDD
Sony FX6 - 500Mbps 4k/50p AVC-I HLG
Canon XF400 - 150Mbps 4k/50p AVC
GoPro Hero6 Black
Pana HS700-28Mbps 1080/50p AVC (High@L4.2)
Canon HV20-HDV 25Mbps 16:9 1440x1080/25p MPEG

Quote: The project is running at present but so far PD is creating a high bit rate Long File name BD/AVCHD Structure that you can then burn to a BD later (using ImgBurn etc). I'll post back later what happens when the folder creation has finished and PD finds the DVD is gone!

I don't eject the disc, I use a RW but most likely achieve the same results. In my case the RW DVD burns to full and then errors. Obviously you will get a error when PD13 starts the phase two of the process to burn the real DVD media and no media in the bay for you. My pic showed nearly 12GB on the folder, I've done up to nearly 50GB no problems. The created folder structure is maintained after the error as it's this that PD uses if you want more than 1 copy. Yes one does get high bit rate Long File name BD/AVCHD Structure.

Jeff

Yup same result, if you eject the disc then after PD has done creating the folder stucture it moves on to the disc burns and gives you an error that there is no disk.

I also found out the PD creates a bunch of files like "~fnDAE1.tmp" in your AppData\Local\Temp folder and if you don't have enough space on this drive (even though you are producing to another one) then PD will report an error and stop producing.

Not that this will help, but PD does actually create "real" profile that must be passed to the encoder (see attached). It is created in a folder next to your output (folder is named somthing like "5132") and it puts a few temporary files in there that are then deleted when producing finishes. This includes an this XML file, and as you can see it shows all the bitrates etc. I was thinking that if this could be edited by hand it would be great but.... this file does not appear till after the creation as started and I know no way of pausing the process.

Thanks
Nathan PD 64 Bit-Win10 64 Bit-32GB RAM-80TB HDD
Sony FX6 - 500Mbps 4k/50p AVC-I HLG
Canon XF400 - 150Mbps 4k/50p AVC
GoPro Hero6 Black
Pana HS700-28Mbps 1080/50p AVC (High@L4.2)
Canon HV20-HDV 25Mbps 16:9 1440x1080/25p MPEG

Quote: Not that this will help, but PD does actually create "real" profile that must be passed to the encoder (see attached). It is created in a folder next to your output (folder is named somthing like "5132") and it puts a few temporary files in there that are then deleted when producing finishes. This includes an this XML file, and as you can see it shows all the bitrates etc. I was thinking that if this could be edited by hand it would be great but.... this file does not appear till after the creation as started and I know no way of pausing the process.

That folder is a hidden folder and the number will vary, it is the current Windows PID of the PD Process that PD uses as a scratch area to build the menu and a little other stuff. There is a thread that discusses this but it turns into a war so I won't link it.

Quote: I also found out the PD creates a bunch of files like "~fnDAE1.tmp" in your AppData\Local\Temp folder and if you don't have enough space on this drive (even though you are producing to another one) then PD will report an error and stop producing.

Have not seen a error on those, those are windows process files and will be extremely small, like 1K type stuff, constantly changing. I would never expect to error out on that unless your disk was extremely full at the start of the process. What can happen though, is the hidden folder above is created in the PD preferences default export folder, that can get you into some trouble with space depending on how one is doing the burn, disc only or disc and folder.

Jeff

Hi all,

I think, from reading this discussion, I've worked out what the issue is.

Essentially, CL have mixed up the 1920x1080/50p profile for AVCHD DVD and Blu-ray.

AVCHD DVD will not play footage of a higher bitrate than 17mbps. Therefore, if you burn a project that has footage of a bitrate of say 27mbps then PD should lower the bitrate to around 17mbps to enable the AVCHD DVD to play properly in whatever player you may be using.

Blu-ray Disc has a higher bitrate threshold and therefore if you burn a project that has a bitrate higher than 17mbps, say 24mbps, then PD should leave the bitrate as is when burning to Blu-ray disc because Blu-ray discs can play at the higher bitrate.

So the solution is to rename the 1920x1080 50p AVCHD DVD profile with that of the 1920x1080 50p Blu-ray profile and vice-versa.

I've just tested the AVCHD DVD 1920x1080 50p profile, and the resulting footage is 26mbps which would not play if burnt to an AVCHD DVD. It WOULD play if burnt to a Blu-ray. I think that proves my point.

Cheers,

Andrew



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Quote: AVCHD DVD will not play footage of a higher bitrate than 17mbps. Therefore, if you burn a project that has footage of a bitrate of say 27mbps then PD should lower the bitrate to around 17mbps to enable the AVCHD DVD to play properly in whatever player you may be using.

Not sure on that, my player plays AVCHD on DVD at bitrates higher than 17Mbps. It plays what currently comes out of PD13 which is around 25+Mbps video bitrate for 60p NTSC settings. Essentially that was the whole point of the AVCHD 2.0 addendum, which added a format called AVCHD Progressive good up to 28Mbps ONLY in progressive format and yes on DVD.

I agree though, CL really botched this area of Create Disc and needs to have a thorough review of what was done vs what the capability is, both AVC on BD and AVCDH on DVD and other media.

Jeff

Quote:

Quote: AVCHD DVD will not play footage of a higher bitrate than 17mbps. Therefore, if you burn a project that has footage of a bitrate of say 27mbps then PD should lower the bitrate to around 17mbps to enable the AVCHD DVD to play properly in whatever player you may be using.

Not sure on that, my player plays AVCHD on DVD at bitrates higher than 17Mbps. It plays what currently comes out of PD13 which is around 25+Mbps video bitrate for 60p NTSC settings. Essentially that was the whole point of the AVCHD 2.0 addendum, which added a format called AVCHD Progressive good up to 28Mbps ONLY in progressive format and yes on DVD.

I agree though, CL really botched this area of Create Disc and needs to have a thorough review of what was done vs what the capability is, both AVC on BD and AVCDH on DVD and other media.

Jeff

Very interesting - I've learnt something new there. I do feel it was their intention to have the profiles the opposite way around though.

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I've sent the info in as a "bug" that needs fixing - the issue should be looked at and fixed in any case.
Thanks Andrew for the heads up and of course thanks to Jeff and Nathan for their input here.
Dafydd

I don't think they got the profiles mixed, more that the BD one should be 25 not 15mbps. Could just be a typo. I do find it interesting that the AVCHD profile uses long file names over 8.3 when producing to the HDD. PD 64 Bit-Win10 64 Bit-32GB RAM-80TB HDD
Sony FX6 - 500Mbps 4k/50p AVC-I HLG
Canon XF400 - 150Mbps 4k/50p AVC
GoPro Hero6 Black
Pana HS700-28Mbps 1080/50p AVC (High@L4.2)
Canon HV20-HDV 25Mbps 16:9 1440x1080/25p MPEG

Thanks Dafydd. I'm glad CL have relaxed their stance on allowing a non std profile at all (aka BD 50/60p)! PD 64 Bit-Win10 64 Bit-32GB RAM-80TB HDD
Sony FX6 - 500Mbps 4k/50p AVC-I HLG
Canon XF400 - 150Mbps 4k/50p AVC
GoPro Hero6 Black
Pana HS700-28Mbps 1080/50p AVC (High@L4.2)
Canon HV20-HDV 25Mbps 16:9 1440x1080/25p MPEG

Is there any way to replicate the AVCHD profile for the BD profile? I noted that it was coming in with a bitrate of 26mbps which is what I'm after.

Cheers,

Andrew
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Sony HDR-PJ810 and HDR-PJ530

Not that I have found (I did try a simple cut paste) PD 64 Bit-Win10 64 Bit-32GB RAM-80TB HDD
Sony FX6 - 500Mbps 4k/50p AVC-I HLG
Canon XF400 - 150Mbps 4k/50p AVC
GoPro Hero6 Black
Pana HS700-28Mbps 1080/50p AVC (High@L4.2)
Canon HV20-HDV 25Mbps 16:9 1440x1080/25p MPEG

Thanks for trying! This has been fun! Maybe they'll let us beta test next year!

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Sony HDR-PJ810 and HDR-PJ530

Quote: Dafydd, While you are bothering CL, it would be great if under AVCHD Disc option if we could select BD as well as DVD, SD Card etc....
Nathan

I guess CL cannot do anything with that because it's the spec of AVCHD which does not allow BD as media.
Moreover, 50/60p and 3D contents are not allowed to burn to DVD.
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PowerDirector 365

Hopefully CL will correct this, the resulting HD 17Mb video is just awful

Wil try the fix later

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I was hoping they would've sorted it by now! Keeping my eyes open for a beta build or the actual update!

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I tried the "remove disk" version and got a m2ts file that is accepted by TSmuxer.
Then burned it to BD with Roxio and works fine.

Bitrate 28 to 35 max


Thank you guys!

Eugene 73s, WA6JZN ex DL9GC
CYBERLINK PLEASE ADD UHD BLU RAY BURNING SOFTWARE
PD14,
Win10,64bit.CPU i7 6700,16GB ,C= 480 GB SSD ,GPU GTX1060 6GB 1 fan. Plus 3 int, 4 ext HDD's for video etc.LG WH16NS40 reads UHD.
4K 24" ViewSonic monitor.Camera Sony FDR-A

Has anyone run tests with the new patch? I can't install it myself as they are yet to release the patch for PD Live customers!

Cheers,

Andrew Alienware Aurora ALX R4 - Intel i7-4820 4.2 GHz - 32GB DDR3 RAM - Crucial 512GB SSD - 1TB Seagate HDD - 3TB WD Green HDD - 4TB WD Green HDD - MSI NVIDIA GTX 1070 8GB

Sony HDR-PJ810 and HDR-PJ530

Testing with Patch "13.0.2215" installed seems to have indeed fixed the quality issue on my rig.

It worked with both HW Accell On and Off. Both re-encoded the file at slightly higher bitrates (and hence file size) of my test 50p clip in the Mid 25Mbps for the video stream which is correct.

The Menu was also in 50p though these were at lower bitrates (which is fine), with the CPU coming in around 18Mbps and the GPU encoded version at 14Mbps.

Looks like PD13 is a pretty mature platform now for 1080/50 or 60p material.

Thanks
Nathan PD 64 Bit-Win10 64 Bit-32GB RAM-80TB HDD
Sony FX6 - 500Mbps 4k/50p AVC-I HLG
Canon XF400 - 150Mbps 4k/50p AVC
GoPro Hero6 Black
Pana HS700-28Mbps 1080/50p AVC (High@L4.2)
Canon HV20-HDV 25Mbps 16:9 1440x1080/25p MPEG

Yes - I'm very impressed with it. I wonder why SVRT doesn't work with it though? It must be deliberate but I don't know why.

Andrew Alienware Aurora ALX R4 - Intel i7-4820 4.2 GHz - 32GB DDR3 RAM - Crucial 512GB SSD - 1TB Seagate HDD - 3TB WD Green HDD - 4TB WD Green HDD - MSI NVIDIA GTX 1070 8GB

Sony HDR-PJ810 and HDR-PJ530