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BillHansen [Avatar]
Senior Member Joined: Jan 03, 2012 12:43 Messages: 178 Offline
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Most of my videos have very occasional, randomly occurring instants of "dark lines" which snap down from the top of the monitor screen. Duration of these is about 1/10th to 1/20th second. They seem to begin at the top of the screen (viewing on a 24 inch computer monitor, or on a 20inch laptop screen) and "snap" about 2-3% of the height of the screen. They occur regardless of the bitrate or display size I render the video. They always occur at the same place, in seconds, on a single video clip - but they occur at *different* places on each video clip. Otherwise their occurance is random - there might be two of these flaws in 10 seconds, an then no more of them for the next 60 seconds, and so on. They're not a major annoyance, but they're a flaw which I would like to avoid. Can anyone tell me what they are and how to avoid them?

I'll try to attach a very low res clip, which should show the flaws at 2 seconds and 11 seconds. Please try not to be too critical of the other aspects of this clip. I'm sending it only to demonstrate the flaw mentioned above.

Thanks - Bill Hansen
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borgus1 [Avatar]
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Perhaps it's my eyes, but I don't spot any irregularities at screen top here, when viewed in Media Player Classic on the PC.
jcardana
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Is the computer monitor LCD or CRT?

I have similar problems with my LCD. Instead of black lines, I get tares.

I watched your video. Again, on my CRT, it's perfect. On my LCD, I get a single tare at the top of the screen.

My guess is it's the monitor refresh rate. CyberPowerPC | Win7HP-64 | AMD FX-8320 3.5 Ghz | 8GB Mem | NVIDIA GeForce GTX 750 Ti 2GB | WEI 5.9


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BillHansen [Avatar]
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That does make sense. The term "tares" as it applies to video is new to me. Can you tell me a little more about the appearance of your "tares"?

I'll put that little clip on the TV and see if the lines show up. Do you have any suggestion about how I might avoid the problem, or minimize it? I never see those lines in HD videos I see online. (But maybe those are already quite compressed??? The best of them sure do look good though - better than my own HD videos.)

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jcardana
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What I call a "tear" is a problem with Vertical Sync.

Have you seen on tv, when someone is pointing the camera at a computer screen. You can see the lines moving down the screen. The camera only catches 30 frames per second but the computer draws the screen on average 60-75 times per second.

So the best way I can explain the tear is the bottom portion of the screen is one frame and the top is the next frame. So if there is a lot of movement in the camera, the difference is more visible.

"Tear" may be a bad term to use. but it's definitely a screen refresh problem.

If you're using Windows 7, right-click on the Desktop and select Screen Resolution. Then click on Advanced settings. A window should open... click on the Monitor tab. In the Monitor Settings section, there should be a Screen Refresh Rate.

My Main Monitor (CRT) has a rate of 75 Hz, My left and right LCDs are at 60.

Did that help any? CyberPowerPC | Win7HP-64 | AMD FX-8320 3.5 Ghz | 8GB Mem | NVIDIA GeForce GTX 750 Ti 2GB | WEI 5.9


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BillHansen [Avatar]
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Thanks for the clarification. Last night I increased the refresh rate for my main monitor to 75, but it didn't help. In fact, it made the "tears" more obvious - wider, and lower in the screen. I set the refresh rate back to 60 Hz.

It will be interesting to see if the phenomenon shows up on the TV.

Bill Bill Hansen
jcardana
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That should prove it not a problem with the video itself. Interesting that it got worse. Makes me think it's a driver problem. See if you can get the driver info.

1. Right-click on the Desktop
2. Select Screen Resolution
3. Select Advanced Settings
4. Select Monitor tab
5. Select Properties
6. Select Driver tab
7. If the driver is 3-5 years old, click Update Driver.

It's worth a shot. CyberPowerPC | Win7HP-64 | AMD FX-8320 3.5 Ghz | 8GB Mem | NVIDIA GeForce GTX 750 Ti 2GB | WEI 5.9


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BillHansen [Avatar]
Senior Member Joined: Jan 03, 2012 12:43 Messages: 178 Offline
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Thanks for that tip, but the driver is the current one. I went to the HP website and checked there.

I think the next thing I'll to - and it will have to be Aug 8 or 9 - will be to put this little video on Vimeo and see how it displays from there. I doubt it will make any difference, but it's worth a try. Then, of course, I also have to display it on my TV.

Bill Bill Hansen
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