That is not true. My setup plays DTS 7.1 master audio fine.
You do know dts MA is just a 24bit (if you're lucky) 48khz (usually unless it's a music blu Ray) wav in a wrapper?
Nothing special, you're full of misinformation aren't you!
My RME will do 32bit floating point 192khz.
Get your facts right! Haswell 4770k watercooled @4.6 ghz. 16GB RAM,
Nvidia 980TI GTX, Marantz AV7702mk2, Apogee Duet, 3x Adam A77X, 4x Mackie MR5's, 4X Mackie CR4
Panasonic PT-AT6000e projector, 120" fixed projector screen, Panasonic ST30 50" TV.

Quote: That is not true. My setup plays DTS 7.1 master audio fine.
You do know dts MA is just a 24bit (if you're lucky) 48khz (usually unless it's a music blu Ray) wav in a wrapper?
Nothing special, you're full of misinformation aren't you!
My RME will do 32bit floating point 192khz.
Get your facts right!

If anyone is misinformed, it's you.

Unless you use some kind of hacking software removing protections, if you don't have a secure audio path, HD audio is downgraded by any legal player, which includes PowerDVD.
Your RME doing 32 bit 192khz doesn't mean that's what PowerDVD sends it.

I know about it: before I switched to full HDMI, I was using a multichannel USB audio card with analog output, and since it didn't have a secure audio path, DTS MA HD Audio and also Dolby TrueHD were both downgraded to LPCM 16 bit even if the original audio was 24 bit. Unless I "cheated" with a protection removal software, of course. My collection: http://www.blu-ray.com/community/collection.php?u=194008&action=showcategory&category=1&categoryid=7

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I know about it: before I switched to full HDMI, I was using a multichannel USB audio card with analog output, and since it didn't have a secure audio path, DTS MA HD Audio and also Dolby TrueHD were both downgraded to LPCM 16 bit even if the original audio was 24 bit. Unless I "cheated" with a protection removal software, of course.

Not sure what you mean by 'protection removal software' here, as the check would be done inside your amp; but I'm pretty sure you can only send LPCM 2.0 over anything non-HDMI (or downgraded-to-16-bit LPCM, like you said).

LPCM itself, of course, can and will be received at 24-bit by your amp, though (when the stream is the latter, of course); but yeah, only over HDMI.

As for software, not sure how I'd go about testing what the actual bit-depth is PowerDVD would be using.

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Quote: That is not true. My setup plays DTS 7.1 master audio fine.
You do know dts MA is just a 24bit (if you're lucky) 48khz (usually unless it's a music blu Ray) wav in a wrapper?
Nothing special, you're full of misinformation aren't you!
My RME will do 32bit floating point 192khz.
Get your facts right!

If anyone is misinformed, it's you.

Unless you use some kind of hacking software removing protections, if you don't have a secure audio path, HD audio is downgraded by any legal player, which includes PowerDVD.
Your RME doing 32 bit 192khz doesn't mean that's what PowerDVD sends it.

I know about it: before I switched to full HDMI, I was using a multichannel USB audio card with analog output, and since it didn't have a secure audio path, DTS MA HD Audio and also Dolby TrueHD were both downgraded to LPCM 16 bit even if the original audio was 24 bit. Unless I "cheated" with a protection removal software, of course.

No...there is a way for this to - You can have a protected audio path by using a HDMI De-embedder (another professional product such as the Atlona HD570 or the Essence Evolve HDMI DAC. No hacking software involved. You can bitstream to de-embedder (which happens to be HDCP compliant) and it will output to your power amps or active speakers and you won't pay $1k for a processing unit (i.e. a Receiver) that you will just have to replace in 6 months (especially with the poor Q&C with some units - you wind up with a high dollar dud inside of a year).

The advantage of PowerDVD and other software players is that experienced audio and videophiles can get rid of gear! The options that companies pour into product seems useless at times to me. PowerDVD should go after Atmos, or even a real PEQ that you can load measurements from REW into.

Yes PowerDVD and other competitors will output TrueHD/DTS-HD MA as 8 channel LPCM, but it will downres to 16bits/48khz. However this is avoided if you do bitstream to a DAC and let it convert to analog for you (as you know the original fat PS3 couldn't bitstream - only output LPCM over HDMI). This is basically what most people do when they hook it to a receiver - they are just using their receiver (and all of the unneeded functions) as a giant DAC. Using a simple de-embedder takes all the receiver stuff out of the signal.


Oh, fyi....by using a de-embedder - you could actually get PowerDVD to not downres the material - Powerdvd can decode send it out full resolution LPCM via HDMI to the Evolve (set the Evolve to 7.1 instead of bitstream) and you can have your post processing intact such as Room Correction and PEQ using Equalizer APO. Korrigan - I just want you (and Cyberlink) to see the possiblities, not to argue with your or discredit you. Wouldn't you like not having to buy a new receiver every time a new feature comes out? Even if you use inexpensive receivers - the money adds up over time.

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Quote: That is not true. My setup plays DTS 7.1 master audio fine.
You do know dts MA is just a 24bit (if you're lucky) 48khz (usually unless it's a music blu Ray) wav in a wrapper?
Nothing special, you're full of misinformation aren't you!
My RME will do 32bit floating point 192khz.
Get your facts right!

If anyone is misinformed, it's you.

Unless you use some kind of hacking software removing protections, if you don't have a secure audio path, HD audio is downgraded by any legal player, which includes PowerDVD.
Your RME doing 32 bit 192khz doesn't mean that's what PowerDVD sends it.

I know about it: before I switched to full HDMI, I was using a multichannel USB audio card with analog output, and since it didn't have a secure audio path, DTS MA HD Audio and also Dolby TrueHD were both downgraded to LPCM 16 bit even if the original audio was 24 bit. Unless I "cheated" with a protection removal software, of course.

No...there is a way for this to - You can have a protected audio path by using a HDMI De-embedder (another professional product such as the Atlona HD570 or the Essence Evolve HDMI DAC. No hacking software involved. You can bitstream to de-embedder (which happens to be HDCP compliant) and it will output to your power amps or active speakers and you won't pay $1k for a processing unit (i.e. a Receiver) that you will just have to replace in 6 months (especially with the poor Q&C with some units - you wind up with a high dollar dud inside of a year).

The advantage of PowerDVD and other software players is that experienced audio and videophiles can get rid of gear! The options that companies pour into product seems useless at times to me. PowerDVD should go after Atmos, or even a real PEQ that you can load measurements from REW into.

Yes PowerDVD and other competitors will output TrueHD/DTS-HD MA as 8 channel LPCM, but it will downres to 16bits/48khz. However this is avoided if you do bitstream to a DAC and let it convert to analog for you (as you know the original fat PS3 couldn't bitstream - only output LPCM over HDMI). This is basically what most people do when they hook it to a receiver - they are just using their receiver (and all of the unneeded functions) as a giant DAC. Using a simple de-embedder takes all the receiver stuff out of the signal.


Oh, fyi....by using a de-embedder - you could actually get PowerDVD to not downres the material - Powerdvd can decode send it out full resolution LPCM via HDMI to the Evolve (set the Evolve to 7.1 instead of bitstream) and you can have your post processing intact such as Room Correction and PEQ using Equalizer APO. Korrigan - I just want you (and Cyberlink) to see the possiblities, not to argue with your or discredit you. Wouldn't you like not having to buy a new receiver every time a new feature comes out? Even if you use inexpensive receivers - the money adds up over time.

^^ Good stuff, here

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I know about it: before I switched to full HDMI, I was using a multichannel USB audio card with analog output, and since it didn't have a secure audio path, DTS MA HD Audio and also Dolby TrueHD were both downgraded to LPCM 16 bit even if the original audio was 24 bit. Unless I "cheated" with a protection removal software, of course.

Not sure what you mean by 'protection removal software' here, as the check would be done inside your amp; but I'm pretty sure you can only send LPCM 2.0 over anything non-HDMI (or downgraded-to-16-bit LPCM, like you said).

The check is in the amp in case of bitstreaming, but since in this case, it isn't bitstreaming but PDVD is converting to LPCM first, PDVD will only output SD 16 bit audio.

Quote: LPCM itself, of course, can and will be received at 24-bit by your amp, though (when the stream is the latter, of course); but yeah, only over HDMI.

Not even that. If you have a non-secure audio path, it'll also be 16 bit. My collection: http://www.blu-ray.com/community/collection.php?u=194008&action=showcategory&category=1&categoryid=7

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Quote: That is not true. My setup plays DTS 7.1 master audio fine.
You do know dts MA is just a 24bit (if you're lucky) 48khz (usually unless it's a music blu Ray) wav in a wrapper?
Nothing special, you're full of misinformation aren't you!
My RME will do 32bit floating point 192khz.
Get your facts right!

If anyone is misinformed, it's you.

Unless you use some kind of hacking software removing protections, if you don't have a secure audio path, HD audio is downgraded by any legal player, which includes PowerDVD.
Your RME doing 32 bit 192khz doesn't mean that's what PowerDVD sends it.

I know about it: before I switched to full HDMI, I was using a multichannel USB audio card with analog output, and since it didn't have a secure audio path, DTS MA HD Audio and also Dolby TrueHD were both downgraded to LPCM 16 bit even if the original audio was 24 bit. Unless I "cheated" with a protection removal software, of course.

No...there is a way for this to - You can have a protected audio path by using a HDMI De-embedder (another professional product such as the Atlona HD570 or the Essence Evolve HDMI DAC. No hacking software involved.

And both are only HDMI 1.3 compatible. Bye bye 3D and 4K. And it only corroborates what I was saying too. For PDVD to output Full HD 24bit audio, you need a secure audio path, either via HDMI or via the very few certified audio cards.

You guy's gear doesn't have anything to do with that anyway, as I understood you're using USB... which is not secure. So you have all that fancy musician stuff and can't enjoy Full HD 24 bit Audio, which was my point.

I'm not denying you guys know about stuff, but beside my basic HTPC installation which I enjoy in my small office at home, I also work daily since 20+ years in the video industry (software engineer) and I happen to know a bit about those secure path "problems".

Now if you want to output Full HD 24 bit via non-secure audio devices, there are tricks I can give you if you send me a private message, notably a well known and quite cheap little piece of software which is also very well supported by its developers, and which doesn't have a problem with HDMI 1.4 or even 2.0. My collection: http://www.blu-ray.com/community/collection.php?u=194008&action=showcategory&category=1&categoryid=7

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Quote: That is not true. My setup plays DTS 7.1 master audio fine.
You do know dts MA is just a 24bit (if you're lucky) 48khz (usually unless it's a music blu Ray) wav in a wrapper?
Nothing special, you're full of misinformation aren't you!
My RME will do 32bit floating point 192khz.
Get your facts right!

If anyone is misinformed, it's you.

Unless you use some kind of hacking software removing protections, if you don't have a secure audio path, HD audio is downgraded by any legal player, which includes PowerDVD.
Your RME doing 32 bit 192khz doesn't mean that's what PowerDVD sends it.

I know about it: before I switched to full HDMI, I was using a multichannel USB audio card with analog output, and since it didn't have a secure audio path, DTS MA HD Audio and also Dolby TrueHD were both downgraded to LPCM 16 bit even if the original audio was 24 bit. Unless I "cheated" with a protection removal software, of course.

No...there is a way for this to - You can have a protected audio path by using a HDMI De-embedder (another professional product such as the Atlona HD570 or the Essence Evolve HDMI DAC. No hacking software involved.

And both are only HDMI 1.3 compatible. Bye bye 3D and 4K. And it only corroborates what I was saying too. For PDVD to output Full HD 24bit audio, you need a secure audio path, either via HDMI or via the very few certified audio cards.

You guy's gear doesn't have anything to do with that anyway, as I understood you're using USB... which is not secure. So you have all that fancy musician stuff and can't enjoy Full HD 24 bit Audio, which was my point.

I'm not denying you guys know about stuff, but beside my basic HTPC installation which I enjoy in my small office at home, I also work daily since 20+ years in the video industry (software engineer) and I happen to know a bit about those secure path "problems".

Now if you want to output Full HD 24 bit via non-secure audio devices, there are tricks I can give you if you send me a private message, notably a well known and quite cheap little piece of software which is also very well supported by its developers, and which doesn't have a problem with HDMI 1.4 or even 2.0.

Well, yes they are both only 1.3....but most of us audio geeks will run a second cable directly to the display for video only (just like the Oppo has 2 hdmi outs). I hate 3D, and 4k...I can run that directly from my video card to my TV and use a different HDMI in my PC as the default sound to the Evolve...problem solved. The Evolve is one of only a few HDMI DAC's - Motu has one also. with these you can enjoy full 24 bit audio. Most people that are using audio interfaces are doing other things (as you mention) to get around HDCP. I'm just showing you that you can keep the protected audio path all the way to a few specific DACs without using software that defeats HDCP... or using a receiver. I happen to own an Evolve myself - I actually have several different soundcards, interfaces, and DACs to be honest.

The issue of 3D once again ....it's a dying fad. Now 4K...That will be a different issue for us that have screens larger than 100 inches - looking forward to that....like I said, I'm prepared, multiple HDMI out....with protected video path for video and the other, protected audio path to the DAC - and still, no receiver involved.

You're wrong again. I've tested it just now to make sure.
It's outputting 24bit 48khz 8 channel.
Just right click and show information.
I'll take a screen shot if you want!
Audio: DTS-HD Master Audio 7.1 6219Kbps
Output: LPCM 48KHZ/24bits 8 Channels

And yes it's coming out of all 8 speakers and I have no hacks running!
That's more of your 'facts' debunked!
I'll even run it through my DAW later to make sure for you! 😀
EDIT- I also enjoy DTS 7.1 MA with 3D on my projector and my 4k monitor
EDIT - I've just verified with 'informer' software that it is definitely correct.
I know I'm not hearing 32 floating point 192khz from a bluray, I'm saying the RME is capable of doing so!

READ THIS: It even explains how to set it up!
http://www.cyberlink.com/support/product-faq-content.do?id=15698&prodId=1
Looks like they added support in PowerDVD 13
Any information about a time frame for dolby atmos? Haswell 4770k watercooled @4.6 ghz. 16GB RAM,
Nvidia 980TI GTX, Marantz AV7702mk2, Apogee Duet, 3x Adam A77X, 4x Mackie MR5's, 4X Mackie CR4
Panasonic PT-AT6000e projector, 120" fixed projector screen, Panasonic ST30 50" TV.

Quote: You're wrong again. I've tested it just now to make sure.
It's outputting 24bit 48khz 8 channel.
Just right click and show information.
I'll take a screen shot if you want!
Audio: DTS-HD Master Audio 7.1 6219Kbps
Output: LPCM 48KHZ/24bits 8 Channels

'Outputting' is a tricky term in the hands of PowerDVD. Only your audio card/amp is the final decider over what gets output. When PowerDVD says 'Output: LPCM 48KHZ/24bits 8 Channels', what they really mean is 'Offered as 24-bit to the upstream audio processor.' It may well get downgraded to 16-bit on an uncertified path.

Quote: You're wrong again. I've tested it just now to make sure.
It's outputting 24bit 48khz 8 channel.
Just right click and show information.
I'll take a screen shot if you want!
Audio: DTS-HD Master Audio 7.1 6219Kbps
Output: LPCM 48KHZ/24bits 8 Channels

Then either your device indeed has a secure audio path, and then congratulations, or you are not telling the truth in order to not be wrong on the Internet. There's no other option.

Quote: And yes it's coming out of all 8 speakers and I have no hacks running!

I never said you couldn't get 8 channel sound even on a non-secure audio path. I just talked about HD sound. Don't you know the difference as an expert?

Quote: That's more of your 'facts' debunked!

Not my facts, kid. Cyberlink's fact. See the link I posted earlier in the thread. They are FORCED to do that as per official Blu-Ray regulations.

Quote: READ THIS: It even explains how to set it up!
http://www.cyberlink.com/support/product-faq-content.do?id=15698&prodId=1
Looks like they added support in PowerDVD 13

This has nothing to do with what we were talking about concerning secure audio paths, and exists since at least PDVD 10. My collection: http://www.blu-ray.com/community/collection.php?u=194008&action=showcategory&category=1&categoryid=7

There you go!
Notice the RME in the bottom of the informer software.
http://i61.tinypic.com/24or9qd.jpg
Look at this post from over 4 years ago. Looks like they added it in version 13 like I said,
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2062885
I said all 7.1 speakers are working if what you said was true I would only have 16bit 5.1!
I know it's hard to believe that you were wrong about this but I hope this post clarifies everything for you.
So now we've cleared that up any updates on atmos? Haswell 4770k watercooled @4.6 ghz. 16GB RAM,
Nvidia 980TI GTX, Marantz AV7702mk2, Apogee Duet, 3x Adam A77X, 4x Mackie MR5's, 4X Mackie CR4
Panasonic PT-AT6000e projector, 120" fixed projector screen, Panasonic ST30 50" TV.

I am not wrong because it happened to several people including me, and, let me spell it for you in big letters so you don't miss it, IS CONFIRMED BY CYBERLINK (Michael). Your sound device must have a driver with a secure audio path (lucky! don't change a thing!), or maybe the display of PDVD is wrong/bugged actually.

But whatever, believe what you want, no point in arguing with someone who keeps on saying the black cow in the field is white. My collection: http://www.blu-ray.com/community/collection.php?u=194008&action=showcategory&category=1&categoryid=7

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But whatever, believe what you want, no point in arguing with someone who keeps on saying the black cow in the field is white.

Our Dutch cows are both: either black with white spots, or white with black spots.

Anyway, like I said. what PowerDVD is displaying means as good as nothing. I highly doubt PDVD waits for feedback from your soundcard, to see whether a safe path was established (such handshake will be made, if applicable, between your HDMI audio card and your amp). Tl;dr: PDVD is not the final amp, so take everything it says with a big grain of salt.

Korrigan, I know you think I'm out on a trolling mission or something but I'm just here for info about atmos.
I truley hope my setup is playing a DTS MA stream, and it seems that way, but I guess I'll never know for sure!
It sounds good anyway! Anything above 48khz (44khz for that matter) is pointless for playback anyway, only really worth it when editing audio and recording but the extra dynamic range of 24 bit might be very slightly noticeable on a perfect setup in a perfect room whilst A/Bing but it's not the difference everyone thinks they are getting!
I might argue my point but at least I can admit when I've got something wrong, (like the space atmos takes up on bluray) I guess it takes character to do that.
Memeiriver, powerdvd is not the last amp but it is the last decoder. Everything after that is just a wav that is converted to analogue by the RME.
I noticed that powerdvd dts MA audio setup guide only has the HDMI method in powerdvd 12 FAQ, but it has the analogue output method (as well as the HDMI method) in the FAQ for powerdvd 13 and 14.
Anyway, whoever wants a decent audio setup without an amp/decoder should look at the RME stuff, especially with the ADAT output for more outputs for atmos.
It sounds better and is future proof.
Now just need to save up for my Adam s3x speakers and the Dbox actuators for my Dbox ready chair!
Does powerDvd support motion code for Dbox chairs BTW?
Let's not get catty, I think everyone is learning a lot from this thread, I know I am!


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Nvidia 980TI GTX, Marantz AV7702mk2, Apogee Duet, 3x Adam A77X, 4x Mackie MR5's, 4X Mackie CR4
Panasonic PT-AT6000e projector, 120" fixed projector screen, Panasonic ST30 50" TV.

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Memeiriver, powerdvd is not the last amp but it is the last decoder. Everything after that is just a wav that is converted to analogue by the RME.

All I know is, that my main PC (not my media center) just uses DVI (on a 1920x1200) monitor. PowerDVD is still telling me it's outputting 24-bit audio, which I doubt, as my audio card is just a simple Audigy (with no HDMI).

Why wouldn't it work? All digital sound has to get converted to analogue at some stage.
I love how people think HDMI is some magical 24 bit sound cable.
HDMI has crippled standards for years. Especially 3D gaming where you can only have 720p resolution for 60hz.
I hope powerdvd does Dolby atmos decoding to analogue. It's in their interests to as they would make a hell of a lot of money from people ditching their standalone bluray players and decoders in order to get more outputs and better quality DACS with better reliability for less money!
They'd be stupid not to!
Anyway my trial is almost up and still no word on atmos. Hell i don't even know if i'm getting DTS HD decoding properly!
Why the hell would I buy this software if it didn't do that?!?
Maybe 3D bluray playback but I still have to use a 6 month old nvidia driver as 3D is broken otherwise.
It's not exactly the pro software I was expecting and the forums are full of misinformation, not one cyberlink employee has commented to set the record straight, and my question I sent to customer support about atmos has had no reply!
Says a lot about cyberlink customer service!
Maybe I'll see if I can get a trial from some of powerdvd's competitors before I make my decision!
So far I am not impressed! Haswell 4770k watercooled @4.6 ghz. 16GB RAM,
Nvidia 980TI GTX, Marantz AV7702mk2, Apogee Duet, 3x Adam A77X, 4x Mackie MR5's, 4X Mackie CR4
Panasonic PT-AT6000e projector, 120" fixed projector screen, Panasonic ST30 50" TV.

Has there been any updates to enable atmos yet or are they chicken feeding it out to make people pony up for the new version?
If not it is Lame as I would have bought it.
I'll just get a dolby atmos enabled preamp instead of waiting another 1/4 of a year for the functions I need today.
Haswell 4770k watercooled @4.6 ghz. 16GB RAM,
Nvidia 980TI GTX, Marantz AV7702mk2, Apogee Duet, 3x Adam A77X, 4x Mackie MR5's, 4X Mackie CR4
Panasonic PT-AT6000e projector, 120" fixed projector screen, Panasonic ST30 50" TV.

Any updates yet?
The list of bluray movies using dolby atmos is growing fast!
http://www.dolby.com/us/en/experience/dolby-atmos/bluray-and-streaming.html
This thread is 9 months old and still no news?
Haswell 4770k watercooled @4.6 ghz. 16GB RAM,
Nvidia 980TI GTX, Marantz AV7702mk2, Apogee Duet, 3x Adam A77X, 4x Mackie MR5's, 4X Mackie CR4
Panasonic PT-AT6000e projector, 120" fixed projector screen, Panasonic ST30 50" TV.

Hey i have got a onkyo 636 that support dolby atmos cant i use powerdvd with it so i can hear the dolby atmos?

Powerdvd 15 is out.
Does it support atmos decoding? Been waiting 9+ months and can't find any info on it.
Haswell 4770k watercooled @4.6 ghz. 16GB RAM,
Nvidia 980TI GTX, Marantz AV7702mk2, Apogee Duet, 3x Adam A77X, 4x Mackie MR5's, 4X Mackie CR4
Panasonic PT-AT6000e projector, 120" fixed projector screen, Panasonic ST30 50" TV.