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Produce or Rendering Settings Help Needed
MrBooojangles
Newbie Location: Guernsey, Channel Islands Joined: Mar 25, 2014 20:42 Messages: 10 Offline
[Post New] Mar 25, 2014 22:04
Hi everyone,

I am a 'newbie to power director and have got Power Director 12 Ultimate. This is also my first post on the forum.

I have made up a test video using various titles, video effects and using video files from my camera. My problem is what produce/rendering settings to use.

My camera is a Panasonic DMC-FZ45 and I have been filming everything in MOV format which it does at 30fps and 1280x720, but I don't know what bitrate they are at. I have watched some You Tube videos and they suggest produce/rendering in either MPEG-2 or MPEG-4 formats, though I think MPEG-4 is better and would prefer to use this.

One video suggested putting the bitrate up to the maximum setting, another said put it at 8000kbps.

I live in a UK PAL region and would have preffered the videos saved as a PAL setting but the only settings are for 25fps and 24fps, but when I did some test produce/rendering at different bitrate settings they came out a bit jerky/stuttered but at less then 200MB for a 3 1/2 minute video. I tried a produce/render at 30fps (NTSC) with bitrate of 26300 and this played smoothe but was 500MB, which is massive!!! I did one at 30fps and 8000kbps and this played smoothe and was just under 200MB (all videos were played through Windows Media Player).

So my questions to you guys are:

1. Is there any way of finding out the bitrate of a camera file or video project?

2. I will be uploading the videos to You Tube, if I use MPEG-4 what bitrate setting should I use to keep a good quality for computer and internet playback?

3. If the file sizes are massive is there any way of reducing them without losing quality?

4. Is there any way I could produce/render the videos in a PAL 25fps setting and have them play smoothe or should I just go with the 30fps NTSC settings?

5. I also changed the framerate of the project whilst editing it, thinking it would help. Would this affect the camera video files or titles on the timeline or the playback of the produced/rendered video?

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Cheers,
Martin. My You Tube Channel
http://www.youtube.com/user/MrBooojangles

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CubbyHouseFilms
Senior Contributor Location: Melbourne, Australia Joined: Jul 14, 2009 04:23 Messages: 2208 Offline
[Post New] Mar 26, 2014 00:12
Hi Martin

Welcome to the forum

Just a quick question why are you shooting at 30FPS in a PAL country? Can you change this in the camera settings?

To change the FPS in the PD timeline go to Settings>General>Timeline frame rate

So my questions to you guys are:

1. Is there any way of finding out the bitrate of a camera file or video project?


Right click the video in the PD media library and select Properties. Or for a more accurate information download Mediainfo (Google it)

I will be uploading the videos to You Tube, if I use MPEG-4 what bitrate setting should I use to keep a good quality for computer and internet playback?


I use MPEG4 1280x720 6000 kbps for both Vimeo and Youtube. This profile I created using the + sign - make sure you keep the FPS the same as the source file.


3. If the file sizes are massive is there any way of reducing them without losing quality?


See above as it's the large Bitrate that dramatically increase file size

4. Is there any way I could produce/render the videos in a PAL 25fps setting and have them play smoothe or should I just go with the 30fps NTSC settings?


Always keep the FPS the same. Either 25 or 30

5. I also changed the framerate of the project whilst editing it, thinking it would help. Would this affect the camera video files or titles on the timeline or the playback of the produced/rendered video?


See above

Happy editing

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Best Regards

Neil
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CubbyHouseFilms
Senior Contributor Location: Melbourne, Australia Joined: Jul 14, 2009 04:23 Messages: 2208 Offline
[Post New] Mar 26, 2014 00:13
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Best Regards

Neil
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MrBooojangles
Newbie Location: Guernsey, Channel Islands Joined: Mar 25, 2014 20:42 Messages: 10 Offline
[Post New] Mar 26, 2014 21:09
Hi Neil,

Thats brilliant, thanks for the info.

Unfortunately my camera only does MOV files in 30fps regardless of country you live in, though in AVCHD Lite format it can be changed from NTSC 30fps/60fps to PAL 25fps/50fps. I decided not to record anything in that format as when I bought the camera, internet searches and messages to other You Tubers with this camera said it was difficult to edit with.

If you wanted to read more about it go here http://www.cameralabs.com/reviews/Panasonic_Lumix_DMC_FZ40_FZ45/ then read the 2nd and 3rd columns under the heading "Panasonic Lumix FZ45 / FZ40 Movie Mode".

(Sorry not sure how to post an image on here yet)

Having said that, all my MOV files from my old compact camera only did 13fps, LOL. Which are what the videos on my You Tube channel so far have been from.

I think I have watched a few of your videos on You Tube recently, the name CubbyHouseFilms rings a bell


Cheers,
Martin

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My You Tube Channel
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babindia
Senior Contributor Location: India Joined: Aug 16, 2007 06:11 Messages: 884 Offline
[Post New] Mar 27, 2014 00:43
Quote: Hi Neil,

(Sorry not sure how to post an image on here yet)



When you post a message you will see "Options and Attachments" labelled as blue coloured buttons.
Click on the attachment., browse the image you want to add and click submit

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Carl312
Senior Contributor Location: Texas, USA Joined: Mar 16, 2010 20:11 Messages: 9090 Offline
[Post New] Mar 27, 2014 10:00
Quote: Unfortunately my camera only does MOV files in 30fps regardless of country you live in, though in AVCHD Lite format it can be changed from NTSC 30fps/60fps to PAL 25fps/50fps. I decided not to record anything in that format as when I bought the camera, internet searches and messages to other You Tubers with this camera said it was difficult to edit with.

That is not true. AVCHD is much easier to edit and use. Powerdirector 12 sure does better with AVC than MOV.

If you mean by AVCHD lite, to output 1280x720.

Maybe you can post a 5 or 10 second sample from your camera in both formats.

http://www.dpreview.com/news/2010/7/21/panasonicdmcfz40#specs

According to the above specs that is a Still camera with a movie mode, it only outputs 1280x720 video in a few quality ranges. However AVCHD lite at 17 Mbps should be pretty good.

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MrBooojangles
Newbie Location: Guernsey, Channel Islands Joined: Mar 25, 2014 20:42 Messages: 10 Offline
[Post New] Mar 31, 2014 20:31
Ok Carl thanks, I will try the AVCHD Lite as well.

Yes you are correct "According to the above specs that is a Still camera with a movie mode, it only outputs 1280x720 video in a few quality ranges."

I also thought that MOV being bigger file sizes compared to AVCHD Lite format for files of the same time length, that MOV would have been better quality. Is this not the case?

Cheers - Martin My You Tube Channel
http://www.youtube.com/user/MrBooojangles

MY COMPUTER:
Alienware R4
Intel Core i7-3820 CPU @ 3.60GHz
64bit
Quad core. RAM 16GB
Nvidia GeForce GTX670
Windows 7 home premium
Carl312
Senior Contributor Location: Texas, USA Joined: Mar 16, 2010 20:11 Messages: 9090 Offline
[Post New] Mar 31, 2014 20:58
AVCHD is a better format than MOV.

Best way to see, is to try both.

My Canon HF R100 camera can shoot MP4 video, but MP4 Video is limited to 30 Minutes.

I can shoot up to the limit of the size of the SD card I am using with AVCHD. A 32 GB card will hold about four hours of AVCHD video at 1920x1080i 17 Mbps.

I usually use a 16 GB card for two hours of AVCHD 17 Mbps 1080i video.

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MrBooojangles
Newbie Location: Guernsey, Channel Islands Joined: Mar 25, 2014 20:42 Messages: 10 Offline
[Post New] Apr 30, 2014 19:34
Thanks everyone, that has solved that problem for me.

Cheers,
Martin. My You Tube Channel
http://www.youtube.com/user/MrBooojangles

MY COMPUTER:
Alienware R4
Intel Core i7-3820 CPU @ 3.60GHz
64bit
Quad core. RAM 16GB
Nvidia GeForce GTX670
Windows 7 home premium
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