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Which is best or better for my OS, to import videos from the HDD work on them (PD12) and save them back to the HDD or import from my SSD ,work on them and save them back to the SSD...again Thanks

Space ! PowerDirector uses some space on your system drive to store temp files. Usually SSD are small and don't have a lot of room for STORAGE.

I'm not quite sure what you mean -please read what you posted to clarify where and what. I keep my "resources" on an internal hard drive but move the ones I am actually using to a folder on my SSD. When I'm finished, I can pack everything into that folder and easily move that entire folder to a regular hard drive. Others will do other things. .
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Having all SSDs is the fastest approach, but obviously that would be expensive. With only some SSD drives, it's actually better to have your OS on the SSD, even if you have to store videos and work with videos on HDDs. With on OS SSD, Windows boots in around 10 seconds and programs all launch very quickly. For example, PD12 opens in 2 sec on my machine. Once you've seen responsiveness like that, there's no going back

I have 3 SSDs on my new machine: a 120GB OS drive and I put my current videos on a 240GB and 1TB SSD drives. I also have about 6.5TB on 2 HDDs as archive storage. To be honest, I don't see a whole lot of difference when opening projects with videos stored on SSD vs. HDD, and there's no difference in playing them back because HDDs can handle the 28-35Mbps video stream.

A couple other thoughts: If you use HDDs, be sure to use 7200RPM drives instead of the older (and much less expensive) 5400rpm. The transfer speeds are noticeably slower with the older ones (R/W on a 7200RPM dive = 78MB/s and 154MB/s; 5400RPM = 31MB/s and 72MB/s on my system). Note that the write speeds with hard discs are much higher because the drives have a large cache memory which can accept data about twice as fast as it can be written to the disk. The read speed is basically how fast the data can be read off the spinning platter, which is why faster platters = higher transfer speeds.

There's a similar divide in SSDs, where the least expensive ones can read at about 500MB/s but can only write at 200MB/s. My first OS SSD drive was like that on Win 7 and I thought that read speed would be the most important factor, but after using a higher-write-speed SSD I can say it's definitely worth the extra cost to get the symmetrical 500MB/s R/W speed. I really like the Samsung 840 EVOs, but anything you can find with those kinds of specs would be worthwhile.

EDIT: I changed the drive transfer speed references from Megabits per second (Mbps) to the correct Megabytes per second (MB/s), as the rate is how fast each byte (word) of data can be written or retrieved, not the speed at which the SATA serial interface runs At least I had the video bitstream rates correct!

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Hi optodata,
An interesting write up.
I have a large SSD as my C drive and have quick start up times. I have noticed the HDD's do lag a tad.
Dafydd

Quote: Hi optodata,
I have noticed the HDD's do lag a tad.
Dafydd

I agree. To the OP's question - if the difference is noticeable, but not significant, maybe investing in SSDs for video storage is not the best choice for investing in new hardware. Maybe the best answer for video storage and work is to find the biggest 7200rpm HDD you can afford, then compare that cost with how big an SSD drive you can get for the same amount of money and decide if that's enough space.

I think there's no question that installing Windows on an SSD will give you the "biggest bang for the buck" (as we Yanks like to say) especially without replacing the motherboard/mainboard. The only things that will improve system performance more are a faster CPU; a better (mid-to high end) GPU; and more RAM, in roughly that order.

One other thing I thought of, is that to get anywhere near the 500MB/s transfer speed on any SSD drives, you'll have to have a motherboard that supports SATA3/SATA 6Gbps. If you only have SATA2/3Gbps, you'll be limited to less than 300MB/s each way. Fortunately, there are inexpensive PCIe cards that will allow you to add SATA 3 ports.

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To add to optodata's post WD has 10,000 RPM HDD (Velociraptor) which is the fastest. The performance diff is significant where the average access times go to 115-120 MB/s and MTF is higher compared to 7200 or 5400 HDD. As Optodata said go for 7200 rpm drives for archiving. I have a 4 TB drive. For faster access go SSD or 10,000 RPM drives especially for HD video editing. PC specs :
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Having switched to SSDs for my main hard drives last year, I would not want to go back to using HDDs for that purpose. Overall performance on my machines are much better, including PD. I believe if you're going to use it for PD a 256 GB should be the minimum, as I'm told PD needs a lot of space for temporary files and such. I moved everything I could, including the Cyberlink and other folders in my Users folder, to the HDDs on my system, and as of today I have 159 GB free on my 256 GB (238 GB usable) SSD.

I was once advised to import videos I wanted to edit to my C drive first, and then after the editing process was complete to return them to the storage drives. I tried that but didn't see any difference in the speed, so nowadays I just edit the file from the storage location. Works fine for me. Dell Precision 7510 Laptop
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Thanks guys...a lot of information to take in.....so , let me get this straight....(and please correct me at will)
In a nut shell..if you can afford it ,go big on ssd ( 250-500,etc) and keep and do everything on that,(the program,the files etc ) and if you are on a budget , get a fast hdd (7200 or 10000) and work with that.
I realize there are some variables , but being a "newbie" , I'm trying to understand as much info I can get and from there go and spend some money (if my wife will let me )..got to keep the economy working !!!!!!!!
And like I said....any comments are appreciated........

Daddyz, you pretty much have it. If you can only afford 1 SSD, make it 250GB or more and put Windows on it. If you need lots of storage, get a big, fast HDD. You can also both - if the wife'll let ya

In any case, you should always try to have your OS and data on separate physical drives so that any issues requiring an OS reinstall won't mess up your data (and vice versa). If you end up with just 1 drive, at least create a separate logical (D:\) drive for the videos.

the only downside is that you'll need to pay close attention if you ever need to use any vendor-supplied disk restoring tools. They'll usually automatically delete everything on your disk and start over, and it won't care if you had another logical drive on there as well.

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Quote: Thanks guys...a lot of information to take in.....so , let me get this straight....(and please correct me at will)
In a nut shell..if you can afford it ,go big on ssd ( 250-500,etc) and keep and do everything on that,(the program,the files etc ) and if you are on a budget , get a fast hdd (7200 or 10000) and work with that.

That's not exactly what we're saying. The consensus is to get a 240-256 GB SSD for your OS & programs and use a regular hard drive for storage. For editing files with PD, this is the consensus of opinion here:

Quote: I keep my "resources" on an internal hard drive but move the ones I am actually using to a folder on my SSD. When I'm finished, I can pack everything into that folder and easily move that entire folder to a regular hard drive. Others will do other things.

However, I've done numerous tests of that procedure, the last one being just a couple of hours ago, and there's no difference in the speed when doing it stevek's way or editing them from and to the storage drive. For instance, I converted a 791 MB dvr-ms file to MP4 both ways, and they both took exactly the same amount of time; 1 min. 52 sec. I didn't do any edits on the files and used Fast Video Rendering Technology. I normally edit the heck out of them and uncheck the fast rendering, which increases the time to close to an hour.
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To add my 2 cents.

I find an improvement in overall video editing when using an SSD.
Files load and save faster. When editing complex clips and playing back in preview it helps to smooth things out. It's not perfect however. The preview playback window has always been a stuttering, jerky, skipping mess no matter what the playback setting is for me. (Whether using an SSD or regular HD.)

I have used the same SSD on my slower system and noticed the speed improvements and now in my newer faster system.

The larger capacity SSD you can get the better. (I am using a couple Samsing EVO SSDs 500GB and 1 TB. I have been very happy with them.)

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Thanks again people...
The reasons why I'm trying to get as much input from however is willing to give it, is because from what I read ,ssd don't like to be "read and write " to much..apparently it hurts its longevity, also you should try to use only 75% of its capacity, therefore by doing all the editing on the 120GB ssd and storing ,would cut down the life of the drive.
I get pretty much what you guys are saying, on the other end I have been spoiled by the speed of the ssd (since I put together this computer),and keeping in mind I not a computer wiz ,therefore, some of the explanations given (for me) are a bit confusing ( I"m not as young as I used to be)....sorry about that.
So I'm thinking...keep the 120GB ssd for OS and programs, get 256GB ssd for editing PD and send all finished "produced" videos to my 1TB hdd......what do you think...will this work well ?
Thanks

Quote: So I'm thinking...keep the 120GB ssd for OS and programs, get 256GB ssd for editing PD and send all finished "produced" videos to my 1TB hdd......what do you think...will this work well ?
Thanks

I'd skip the 120 GB. Use the 256 GB for OS, programs and editing and send produced videos to other HDs. That's the way I do it, and it works great for me. Dell Precision 7510 Laptop
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Daddyz, I agree with what BillyR says, although it sounds like you already have the 120GB SSD and the 1TB HDD. If that's the case, you could go with what you have and be just fine.

It is true that SSDs will last longer if you use "overprovisioning," which sets aside about 10% of the drive space to manage the internal operations. With the kind of memory they use in Flash SSDs, each memory location can only go through so many erase/rewrite cycles. Overprovisioning allows the drive to spread out that activity across more memory cells which prolongs the drive's overall life.

Basically, don't worry about what OP does, just know that your drive will last longer if you don't fill it up all the way, and overprovisioning is a very simple way to accomplish that.

One last thought on having a smallish C: (~100GB) drive: You should really set up the file locations for things like the My Documents, Music and Pictures folders on your HDD. Obviously your videos will go there and so should any games or other large files or groups of files. For example I also moved my Downloads, DropBox and SkyDrive folders off my C: drive, and I have 52.5GB still free out of 100GB.

If you went with a larger C:\ drive, you'll have more breathing room but at some point you'll probably fill that up too, so setting all non OS folders off the C: drive from the start will always pay off

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thanks again ....I will do that and I hope that I can get more advise from you guys in the future......