Thanks guys,
Both of those were entered in competition, neither won anything.
The winning entries were superb. I enter some of these challenges knowing the kind of talent I'm going up against. There is a good interchange of comments from the competitors and it's very much like "free film school".
dvinfo.net has 2 challenge venues, one is more the "story telling" type and when I can get actors this one is the most fun to do. The other is more environmental in theme and these two short films were done for that venue.
The UWOL (Under Water Over Land) challenges are limited to 3 minutes with titles and credits not counting against time so long as they are not obnoxiously long.
The "story" venue challenges are usually limited to 3 minutes including titles/credits but occasionally a theme allows up to 5 minutes.
Watching each contest over the last year and half and seeing what folks accomplish it's very apparent that everybody who participates regularly grows in video making skill.
Anyway last night I uploaded another one that is not a polished finished product but uses a portion of the material from a project I'm working on as I can. It was edited in PowerDirector.