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Modifying Multicam Editing window
JohntheAussie [Avatar]
Newbie Location: Australia, SA Joined: Jun 02, 2011 20:17 Messages: 23 Offline
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I recently bought PowerDirector 12 for its new Multicam Editing and so far it seems to be just what I need. Have just started a project with 3 cameras and a separate audio track, and audio synchronizing worked brilliantly. However in the Multicam Editing window the 4 camera previews (obviously 1 is blank for me) are very small and hard to see, while the output window on the right is quite large. I tried changing this but I cannot see how it can be done easily. I am using a desktop PC with a monitor with 1920 x 1080 (which is not unusual on a desktop monitor these days), and by changing to a lower resolution was able to improve it. Is this the only way it can be done? PD14 Ultimate
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JohntheAussie [Avatar]
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Ok, so it looks like the preview windows on the Multicam Editing window cannot be resized on version 12. If I knew of a way to contact Cyberlink with an improvement suggestion for this I would, as it would be great to make it more usable on a resolution of 1920 x 1080. As we can't assume that Cyberlink read these forums, anyone know how can we forward suggestions to them? PD14 Ultimate
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Dafydd B [Avatar]
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Quote: I recently bought PowerDirector 12 for its new Multicam Editing and so far it seems to be just what I need. Have just started a project with 3 cameras and a separate audio track, and audio synchronizing worked brilliantly. However in the Multicam Editing window the 4 camera previews (obviously 1 is blank for me) are very small and hard to see, while the output window on the right is quite large. I tried changing this but I cannot see how it can be done easily. I am using a desktop PC with a monitor with 1920 x 1080 (which is not unusual on a desktop monitor these days), and by changing to a lower resolution was able to improve it. Is this the only way it can be done?

Quote: Ok, so it looks like the preview windows on the Multicam Editing window cannot be resized on version 12. If I knew of a way to contact Cyberlink with an improvement suggestion for this I would, as it would be great to make it more usable on a resolution of 1920 x 1080. As we can't assume that Cyberlink read these forums, anyone know how can we forward suggestions to them?

Hi JohnJ123456789,
I fully agree with your points and have passed them onto CyberLink. The High Preview resolution quality offered in MultiCam doesn't match the program's Full HD I use, it's a step down! In MultiCam one cant enlarge the 4 camera previews for a standard monitor when MultiCam is displayed full screen. Enlarging MultiCam to full screen displays a heavily pixelated preview screen unpleasant when larger monitors are used.

Contact CyberLink Tech Support: http://www.cyberlink.com/support/index.html

Dafydd

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JohntheAussie [Avatar]
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Thank you Dafydd, that is much appreciated. PD14 Ultimate
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vn800rider
Senior Contributor Location: Darwen, UK Joined: May 15, 2008 04:32 Messages: 1949 Offline
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Just for the record, back in July last, in relation to a query on the MC module preview quality in the early pre-release versions, the design principle was apparently one of compromise, as the display of 4 camera tracks and the main preview in the higher resolutions was deemed to be too much for the "average user system" (my phrase) and I presume that the preview sizing was also chosen along these lines?

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Dafydd B [Avatar]
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Quote: Just for the record, back in July last, in relation to a query on the MC module preview quality in the early pre-release versions, the design principle was apparently one of compromise, as the display of 4 camera tracks and the main preview in the higher resolutions was deemed to be too much for the "average user system" (my phrase) and I presume that the preview sizing was also chosen along these lines?

Cheers
Adrian


That may be so. Was/is your system capable of editing in FullHD?

Many editors who have a system capable of editing in FullHD (and have monitor setting at 1920x1080) or who were prepared to upgrade, have been deprived of a FullHD screen in MultiCam due to a compromise. It does show there wasn't sufficient forethought on the part of some! The choice should have been the editors and not those who wanted a lower compromise who may have had weaker computers.

Dafydd
vn800rider
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No idea about the design background, who was involved or their system specs, I was querying the screen cap quality that was available at that time for the MC tutorial that CL wanted.

Here's the direct quote from the PD development team :

"It’s a limitation of MultiCam Designer, since user may play 4 FullHD video at the same time, we only allow to use Normal and High preview quality in MultiCam Designer for better preview performance"

From that I assume the same probably applies to re-sizing screens as well?? but that wasn't part of my query so I don't know CL's rationale on that one.

No doubt the development team would be interested in user's comments for future versions.

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Adrian
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Dafydd B [Avatar]
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I'll wait to see what the Head of development replies.
Dafydd
Michael8511
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I would say that vn800rider hit the nail on the head. I have play with Adobe Multicam Editing and Power Directors 12 looks close to it. I never try resizing it's preview window when I play with it. Now Adobe does have there Mercury Playback Engine that works with some NVIDIA cards a few ATI cards that Apple uses in Mac's. I have seen where some company's have started doing where they change the files in to editing is done with proxy files. I have know ideal if that like Power Directors shadow files. I have never used them. But after google it I read this.
" When you import HD video into a project, PowerDirector offers, like other programs here, to create "shadow files" (low-resolution proxies) to make editing easier. This is especially useful, because PowerDirector can support AVCHD 2.0 files and video up to 4K resolution; it can also make use of GPU-based acceleration, such as AMD's OpenCL".

Playing back 4 HD files at the same time is a lot of work for a computer to do. I would say that when the day comes they we can buy computers with 24 cores 48 threads we will see better resolution quality. I remember in 2010 when I got my first HD GoPro and render out to YouTube or Vimeo. I would post a link to them on a motorcycle forum. Some people would post that they did not playback smooth or they even if they download them. But has time passed and people upgraded their computers. Those comments stop. Technology has to catch up to some of the things we want to do. I bet Cyberlink could add the stuff to support things we would like to see . If we all had had computers with Intel Xeon with duel CPU.

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Cranston
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Quote: It does show there wasn't sufficient forethought on the part of some! The choice should have been the editors and not those who wanted a lower compromise who may have had weaker computers.


Quote: Here's the direct quote from the PD development team :
"It’s a limitation of MultiCam Designer, since user may play 4 FullHD video at the same time, we only allow to use Normal and High preview quality in MultiCam Designer for better preview performance"


Quote: I'll wait to see what the Head of development replies.

Seen any word yet?


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Dafydd B [Avatar]
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Carston,
Yes, from the Head of Department thanks. I wont post a quote until he's ok'd it and CL allows it. . CyberLink Taiwan staff are currently on leave for the Chinese New Year.
Dafydd

Edited - cleaned up a sentence.

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JL_JL [Avatar]
Senior Contributor Location: Arizona, USA Joined: Oct 01, 2006 20:01 Messages: 6091 Offline
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Quote: Yes, from the Head of Department thanks. I wont post a quote until he's ok'd it and CL allows it. . CyberLink Taiwan staff are currently on leave for the Chinese New Year.

I'm curious too concerning the graphic load, so what knowledge can the Head of Department share? All should be well back from Chinese New Year now.

Jeff
Dafydd B [Avatar]
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Quote: Yes, from the Head of Department thanks. I wont post a quote until he's ok'd it and CL allows it. . CyberLink Taiwan staff are currently on leave for the Chinese New Year.

I'm curious too concerning the graphic load, so what knowledge can the Head of Department share? All should be well back from Chinese New Year now.

Jeff


Hi Jeff,
Nothing official from CyberLink (to share). Loading has been limited deliberately as has the size of the displays. Looks to me the feature wasn't expected to be used by editors with high spec computers or who wanted to view video in FullHD (that's not HDLite 720p). MultiCam has been "limited" to 720x480 preview. Anyone with a large monitor will see pixels - a lot of pixels!

I'll pass in your inquiry Jeff, perhaps it'll stimulate a response. Thanks for asking.

Dafydd
ynotfish
Senior Contributor Location: N.S.W. Australia Joined: May 08, 2009 02:06 Messages: 9977 Online
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Perhaps the limitations on the MultiCam workspace (i.e. fixed windows) will be lifted in future versions of PD. Maybe the Magic Motion window can get a shot of flexibility too.

On the resolution limitation, the main preview in MultiCam (set to High) isn't dissimilar to the Video Crop preview screen... and it's only displaying one video. I don't recall ever hearing a single complaint about that.

Here's an attempt at some comparisons of the resolution in various PD windows http://youtu.be/hHLvSTWsxxw
- I understand it's not entirely accurate because of some window/workspace limitations.

Cheers - Tony

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Peter79 [Avatar]
Newbie Joined: May 18, 2014 06:16 Messages: 11 Offline
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I can imagine it's difficult to play 4+1 videos in Hires/Full HD at the same time, BUT:

For the multicam feature I dislike the size of the 4 (small) windows...
Even if they stay the same (low) resolution for playback, I would like to stretch the 4 cams some more (even if they get some more blocky because of the stretching) so I don't need my eyes to be a few inches away from my monitor to see whats going on on the 4 cams...

It would be great if the left side (4 cams) and right side (main cam) screen could be resized to the left and right, such as in the regular PD12 editor.... Then I would make the right window smaller to make the left bigger...
Further I really love the Multicam feature, which is the main reason I use this software...

I hope Cyberlink can implement this in a new patch update for PD12 soon... I just bought it and really want this to change...

Fingers crossed! If anyone has some news on this, please let me know

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