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Rending takes over 30 hours when producing
Michael.R.Vanity
Newbie Location: San Francisco, California, USA Joined: Sep 02, 2013 08:39 Messages: 3 Offline
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Why does every video I try editing and rendering take over a day to complete. Thats just ridiculous to me. And programs like Aiseesoft video convertor take minuets??

I have Power director 12 ultimate with new blue effects 1 through 6, All pixelan plugins. Latest nvidia card drivers, windows 8.1 media center edition x64 bit, gtx 660 ti sc, Amd FX 9590 5 ghz processor, sabertooth 990fx r2.0 motherboard. 32 gigs of ddr3 ram.
latest direct x updates.

I dont know whats going on. But its annoying. Esspecially when im trying to get these Whitney Houston Rememberace/Tribute videos done before the 20th of this month.

I have every single piece of cyberlink software from power dvd 13 to audio director 4, Power director is the only program I have problems with and paying well over 1000$ for extra plugins on a program that doesnt really work is dissapointing. Any tips would be well appreciated.

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jmone
Senior Contributor Location: Australia Joined: Nov 26, 2010 00:05 Messages: 706 Offline
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Sounds very odd as on my rig (much less powerful than yours), I render in better than real time. Couple of Q's:
- How long are these projects
- What format are the clips in the project
- What format are you rendering to
- When rendering are you using SVRT, CPU, or GPU (HW Acceleration) for the encoding

Thanks
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Julien Pierre [Avatar]
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How long is the project that is taking 30 hours to render ? Are you stacking a lot of effects ?
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2 x LG 32UD59-B 32" 4K
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Michael.R.Vanity
Newbie Location: San Francisco, California, USA Joined: Sep 02, 2013 08:39 Messages: 3 Offline
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Some of these Videos are 5 Minuets long, Ive stacked the Max Effects which seems to be 6 , Upscaleing sd to hd, Sharpening, Detail Enhancement, Color Fixer, Smoothing.

Most of the formats are MP4. Is there a better format to use?As I have a program that can easily convert to any format within minuets.

All of my formats are also HD.

Ive tryed rendering to every format there is seeing which one would be fastest but I get the same lenth of time give or take an hour or 2.

Ive been trying with hardware accel, Also without, Have not had the patience to wait for a Production to finish as I have other things I have to attend to on my Cpu. Ive tryed all video formats, With and Without HWA. I even formatted my computer, Which took an insanely long time to reinstall everything. As I said before I use all of cyberlinks software, With Multiple Plugins.

I will take a few screen shots of a project and post them here within the hour.

Im wondering if I need to pair my Amd fx 9590 with an Amd GPU, Maybe theres compatibility issues with Micro Arc? As Nvidia seems to favor Intel.


Thank you all for a response. I appreiciate your time.
And value your help.
~Michael
Julien Pierre [Avatar]
Contributor Joined: Apr 14, 2011 01:34 Messages: 476 Offline
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Michael,

I have a similar rig to yours.
AMD FX-8350 OC'ed to 4.6 GHz, 32GB RAM.
2x nVidia GTX 560 Ti GPUs.

When not using effects, I can render HD videos at about 2.1x speed the source footage. This is when rendering to either MP4 or H.264 . That is when using the hardware encoder. When using the software encoder, it is about 1.1x speed.
Have you tried simple projects with no effects ? You should verify your rendering speed is in this range.

Effects do significantly slow things down.
If I combine adjustments like denoise, white balance, color, etc, then the rendering time shoots through the roof. It can easily take 20 times as long as the project to render. It doesn't seem that the GPU is benefitting the effects at all, as far as I can tell. GPU-Z shows very little utilization on my GPUs. Only the encoding seem to be done on the GPUs, but not the effects, unfortunately.

I would suggest experimenting with removing effects one at a time to see if that speeds up your rendering.

I don't know how fast the effects are supposed to be. Cyberlink does not publish performance numbers them, unfortunately.

I would be happy to try your projects on my similar box if you want to share the files with me.
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Intel i7-5820k @ 4.4 GHz
32GB DDR4 RAM
Gigabyte nVidia GTX 960 4GB
480 GB Patriot Ignite SSD (boot)
2 x 480 GB Sandisk Ultra II SSD (striped)
6 x 1 TB Samsung 860 SSD (striped)

2 x LG 32UD59-B 32" 4K
Asus PB238 23" HD (portrait)
kingsmeadow
Senior Member Location: Cambridge, UK Joined: Dec 06, 2011 11:52 Messages: 179 Offline
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For your information, I just did a quick test, and added brightness adjustment, only. And the rendering time took 3X as long and the GPU Load dropped by 50%.

I would guess the more operations you add will definitely increase rendering time. Intel Core i7 3770K 3.6 Ghz,
GTX 680, 2 X Benq23 3D monitors,
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Julien Pierre [Avatar]
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Quote: For your information, I just did a quick test, and added brightness adjustment, only. And the rendering time took 3X as long and the GPU Load dropped by 50%.

I would guess the more operations you add will definitely increase rendering time.


I just did a new video which is 1min16s or 76s .
Source video is from my HG21 camcorder at 1080i/24 mbps.
Audio was recorded separately and is on its own track, synchronized thanks to multicam mode.

With SVRT, it takes only 7 seconds to render the project, ie. 10.8x speed.
With the hardware encoder, it takes 36s, ie. 2.1x speed.

Once I add the video denoise effect, SVRT is no longer an option.
Rendering time jumps to 6 min 32s or 512 seconds, ie. 0.14x speed.

That one denoise effect costs a huge amount of CPU and trumps everything else. All 8 cores on my FX-8350 are 100% busy during the rendering. And very low GPU utilization.

I wish there was a denoise effect that could run on GPU, since the PD12 built-in one doesn't.
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Intel i7-5820k @ 4.4 GHz
32GB DDR4 RAM
Gigabyte nVidia GTX 960 4GB
480 GB Patriot Ignite SSD (boot)
2 x 480 GB Sandisk Ultra II SSD (striped)
6 x 1 TB Samsung 860 SSD (striped)

2 x LG 32UD59-B 32" 4K
Asus PB238 23" HD (portrait)
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Michael.R.Vanity


I think there's something wrong with your PC or your project.

By Curiosity did tests to check the time spent with video Nature.wmv, normal and Video Denoise.
Annex simple project if you want to compare your PC, with mine that is below.

Video Nature WMV
Produce H.264 AVCHD 1280x720P NTSC
Enable Preview
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video 2.11 min.
render 1.16
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Add Video Denoise.
render 2,43 min.
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Rocket-Scientist
Senior Member Location: HUNTSVILLE, ALABAMA Joined: Apr 23, 2010 10:14 Messages: 288 Offline
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Michael,

You didn't mention your disk speeds and capacities. The free space on c: drive is particularly important during production.

Also, some of the effects your are applying seem to be self-defeating (sharpening and smoothing will cancel each other.)

The SD -> HD will do a lot just by itself.

Have you tried applying each separate, then operating on the "single effect" produced file one effect at a time.

you might also look into a standalone video enhancer for the upscale step.

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Michael.R.Vanity
Newbie Location: San Francisco, California, USA Joined: Sep 02, 2013 08:39 Messages: 3 Offline
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I just wanted to apologize for not being on the forums after asking an important question. My Sabertooth 990fx Mobo fryed and I had to send it in for RMA, I cannot reccomend this Motherboard, As good as it sounds and looks being one of ASUS flagship Mobos, It gave out on me after only 4 months of use. I now use the Asus M5A99FX Pro R2.0
With an Amd Fx 9590 Processor and 32 gigs of Ram.

Im just about to go over what you have all posted and hoping to get to the bottom of this. I even downloaded some Codec packs thinking it might be the cause. I also noticed PD12 Uses my Processor instead of my Video card.
I use a geforce 660 TI SC .

Thanks again for all of your input about this problem.
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PD uses this video card when active, Harware encoder.
In my case the reder video is faster if disabled, Fast video rendering techology in this case CPU goes to 100%

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SSD SUV400S37240G / 2-HD WD 1TB
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mrmusic [Avatar]
Newbie Joined: Oct 06, 2009 12:44 Messages: 41 Offline
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Hey, I don't have an answer to your problem... sorry! However, I did want to chime in with my own frustrations about PD, and spending gobs of money for add-on packs, (etc) only to find they usually don't work as advertised. I hate being a beta-tester for a program that's available to the public.... at a cost that not everyone finds mere pennies, only to find that "sorry" that bug hasn't been addressed yet. If I could find a better program... one that at least claims to have all this one is supposed to do, .. I'd switch myself. I used to use Pinnacle Studio... but they charged you for every single little effect, menu, etc, .. and half the time the program would crash in mid-render. In frustration, I wound up going the PD route, and have had every version since 7, .. usually always realizing the same thing: I fell for the bigger and better bait and switch, just to become a new sucker... Again! Sorry for your issues.
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