It would be some time before 4K video is in the mainstream besides theaters. I do not think that current Blu-Ray disks support 4K. It would need a new hardware player that can read a triple-layer Blu-ray disc that has 100GB storage capacity. I can not afford a 4K camcorder at this time.

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will play 4K material on my computer just fine including 4K media streaming.

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Here are some sample clips - http://www.elementaltechnologies.com/resources/4k-test-sequences

I can play these fine in JRiver Media Center (used LAV Filters for decoding and optionally madVR for rendering). PD 64 Bit-Win10 64 Bit-32GB RAM-80TB HDD
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Guys, I can't even afford "3K".
I wonder, is the resolution revolution gone crazy?
After all, it's CONTENT that is so important, isn't it?
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To your point, I don't see this taking off anytime soon unless content is being delivered in 4K.... and even then it is the "perceived" resolution that counts. There is no point on ultra high def if you screen is too small / you sit too far back as you can not resolve the extra detail anyway. Here is an oldie but goodie on this topic on what matters http://carltonbale.com/1080p-does-matter/

I'd much rather the higher frame rate we can already get with 1920x1080/50 or 60p!

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Quote: Hi
VLC media player
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Media Player classic

will play 4K material on my computer just fine including 4K media streaming.

Eugene

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I would agree that high frame rate will improve the perceived resolution more than increasing resolution itself. There is to much blur with motion in movies and camera panning that increasing to 4k will not resolve without increasing the frame rate. Remember the Hobbit with high frame rate in the theaters? People complain that the movie is too sharp and does not look like a movie. Just another way of saying that increasing the clarity of the movie is not always what movie goers wanted. I agree also that CONTENT is important.

My understanding is TV sales has been real slow. They want use to go to 4K to bring sales up. Then they will go to 8K.

Has for the blur in movies. They do that on purpose to put you focus on what they want it to be on. The Cinema guys love it and shoot at 24 FPS. I myself thing they do it to much. Intel i7 5960X overclock to 4 Ghz 16 GB of ram.
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My first 4K display will be for the computer as soon as HDMI 2.0 is implemented. I think that by March next year a good choice of monitors or TV's in the up to 40" range will be available and ditto GPU boards with HDMI 2.0.

When looking at the likes of SEIKO selling a 50" 4K TV, albeit bare bones, for under $1K, it looks like that the yield for 4K panels must not be any worse than that of 2K panels.

I have measured the different resolution, using a ISO resolution panel, between 60i and 60P, with my camera, PANA X900, it is app 25% higher for 60P.

Camcorderinfo first brought this difference to my attention.

As far as panning, since $K uses a similar compression format to 2K I would expect a similar drop in resolution.
4K test videos I have, show that during panning the resolution does not really drop below 2K, so appears to look much better than panning at 2K even at low 50Mb bit rates.

The drop in resolution is caused by the low number of full resolution frames per second in all digitally compressed formats.

Interestingly, in this years version of Panasonics high end camcorders, X920, the 3 sensor resolution has been increased to 12 megapixels EACH. This would easily allow 4K, assuming Panasonic has a chip to process the video. (and enough battery power to run it)

The 900 and its siblings use an internal fan to dispose of the heat generated by the 3 RGB sensors.

On my older X900, each sensor has only 3 Megapixels and it appears to be the best performing camcorder in this class.(Several reviews named it camcorder of the year)
It was on sale late last year by B+H for under $700.00 to make room for the X920. I could not click the buy button fast enough!

This website below allows side by side comparison of images, resolution graphs etc, an absolute must when looking for a camcorder.

http://camcorder-test.slashcam.com/compare-cmd-i-view-u-what-i-detail-u-lang-i-en-u-id-i-230-u-name-i-Panasonic-HC-X900M.html

An other useful website is camcorderinfo

So, I think there will be exciting years ahead, 4K cameras and TV's at much lower prices, when compared to the shift to 1920x1080 years ago.
In fact my first HD camcorder 8 years ago was only 1920x1440, yet it was WOW!

And even down converted to 2K from 4K, to allow others to watch the video, the resolution of that video will be FAR superior then when shot at 2K due to the higher detail modulation level.

Now I upgraded to PD12, and it is 4K capable and doing a fine job of it, so progress is being made.

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As far as panning, since $K uses a similar compression format to 2K I would expect a similar drop in resolution
The drop in resolution is caused by the low number of full resolution frames per second in all digitally compressed formats.

I guess that you do not understand CONTENT of the movie is far more important than the resolution of the movie. We have reach the point of decreasing returns. Who care cares about the resolution of the movie if the frame rates not high enough to see the increase of the resolution. Again I ask about the previous Hobbit movie that users are saying too sharp when the frame rate was increased for the movie. That was a failure in the marketplace. Users in the movie theater did not want an increase of movie resolution. Sounds like you want the latest and greatness of technology without a increase of the enjoyment of the movie. We need to ask studios to stop making sequels after sequels. There is less willing to make movies on a fresh idea and that's is the real problem. Why waste money on technology when the weakness point is the person behind the camera or story? Is the technology currently employed is limiting the enjoyment of movies for everyone today? IMAX is not good enough?

I am talking about MY camera and MY videos and the state of the art in the price range I can afford.

It is my hobby, to have my stills and video in the best possible PQ, no need to justify whether it makes sense.

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Hobbies don't EVER need to make sense!
My question was part editorial, I suppose.
The jump from SD to full HD was WHIZBANG amazing, but...
...I'll still take an SD version of JAWS (in which I was filmed and cut out), to an HD version of Gigli. HP Envy Phoenix/4thGen i7-4770(4@3.4GHz~turbo>3.9)
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Hey guys, some of you are not reading the thread!

The talk here in this forum is about videos WE shoot and edit and enjoy.

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I think has 4K camera come out and the price drops we be buying 4K cameras. The same with TV's. What's h.265 going to be like. I think we will see more cameras that will shoot raw video file to for less. We will be able to color grade to give the look we want. For those that want to do the work flow.

I know when I had a DV camcorder that would shoot 720x480 it look great on a SD TV but when I play it on a HD TV it did not look has good. The color did not look has bright. We have all seen where it's not always been the best thing to jump on new technology has hit comes out. Let the price drop and the tools to work with it get work out. Here is the U.S. a lot of homes has not move to Blu-ray, but them more people went to streaming. For the average guy the price has to be right.
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I actually agree with most points on both Quality and Content and the two discussions are not mutually exclusive:

Quality VS Content: Most everyone comments on the quality of the Home Vids shown and recorded at 1080/50p. It is such a big jump in quality it is easily discernible even on at 60" Plasma. Movie night on the 100" PJ does not get much better with BD sources either (with all the tweaks you can do with a HTPC). That said, my kids will stream any content (regardless of quality) to their phones. Sure MP3's or 1GB Video Rips are poorer quality than CD / BDs but they just don't care. The quality is "good enough" where accessibility to content trumps it all. One of my biggest disappointments in the whole HD upgrade push over the last decade as been (in Oz) the gradual removal of HD FTA broadcasts. This was the big promise but one by one each of the Commercial Channels have removed the HD broadcasts in lieu of a second channel broadcasting crap re-runs in SD. Seems content beat quality for most.

Diminishing Returns: As things like resolution and frame rates increase, the perceived improvements diminish (as per the chart). At some point you just can't resolve the difference... but the Q is where is that point for most people and the setups that they have? I could probably do with a 4K @ 50hz on a big 100"+ display but on the content side it will be many years for commercial content to be available to take advantage of this. Sure the next gen Camcorders / TV / PJ's will do this now (or soonish) but I think for many years it will be just the "enthusiasts" that will enjoy this more than the mass market. PD 64 Bit-Win10 64 Bit-32GB RAM-80TB HDD
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