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James1
Senior Contributor Location: Surrey, B.C., Canada Joined: Jun 10, 2010 16:20 Messages: 1783 Offline
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Hi,
I have a question: PowerDirector 11/12 supports 4k resolution. so I created a map (in my vector drawing program) with a 4096X2160 px size...compiled a map of the world..centred on page. Exported as a png file at that size.
Now I fire up PD 12 import my map file. But my monitor is only 16:9 so the image is reduced to fit the 16:9 aspect.
My thinking is if you import a 4K video in PD 11 or PD12 and your monitor is set to 16:9 the video is going to be adjusted to fit the 16:9 screen.
So when you 'Porduce' does PD upsample to 4K again?
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ynotfish
Senior Contributor Location: N.S.W. Australia Joined: May 08, 2009 02:06 Messages: 9977 Offline
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Hi Jim -

I'm no expert on these things, but the 4K sample videos I've been using are usually 3840x2160 or 4096x2304

Your 4096x2160 image would have black bars top & bottom - yes?

Am I missing something?

Cheers - Tony
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James1
Senior Contributor Location: Surrey, B.C., Canada Joined: Jun 10, 2010 16:20 Messages: 1783 Offline
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Hi Tony,
No to black bars. My image dimensions are grater than the 1920x1080 (native resolution of my monitor) 5262x2978.
When I bring it into PD it gets resample to 1920x1080,the same with my GoPro 4K videos are re sampled to my 16:9 ratio. That is the basis for my query what the point of PD support for 4K when members monitors are 16:9 ration ( I say members monitors with the concept that members (general people) don't have a 4K TV or disk that supposts it)).
Jim
p.s. Tried to attach the Image but forum just sits there busy...
Here is file on You Tube
[youtube] http://youtu.be/41jSXvraVfA[/youtube]

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ynotfish
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I'm afraid I'm still not with you Jim.

Quote: When I bring it into PD it gets resample to 1920x1080


No - it doesn't get resampled to a lower resolution. When I take a snapshot, it's taken in the original resolution.

If it's a 16:9 image (whatever the resolution) in a 16:9 project, there'll be no black bars.

Hang on! PD just threw me a curve ball! I made a 5262x2978 image (which is not quite 16:9 - 5262x2960)... but when I took the snapshot it came out as 5262x2960. PD must have trouble with the extra 9px top and bottom.

Here are the snaps (hugely resized):



Jim - what was the question again???

Cheers - Tony
[Thumb - HR snaps.jpg]
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James1
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Hi Tony,
My you tube video is finished uploading. The question ( query) is that presently if you produce a 4096X2160 ( give or take) video and burn to DVd (blue ray) unless you ahve the TV and DVD that supposrt the format it is going to be displayed in the native format 1920X1080 of the present equipment ( unless you are wealthy enough to buy the 4K equipment), so what is the benefit of having the capability already. The processing of 4K is quite long.
JIm
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GGRussell [Avatar]
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Most playback software will scale (up or down) the video to fit. I suppose Cyberlink thought 4k was a needed feature to compete regardless of how many users really use it.

I think 3840x2160 and 4096x2304 are both 16:9. 4096x2160 is 17:9.
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Edit: had to look those up. Apparently, there are several other strange aspect ratios like 1.90:1, 2.39:1. etc.

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James1
Senior Contributor Location: Surrey, B.C., Canada Joined: Jun 10, 2010 16:20 Messages: 1783 Offline
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Hi,
Well it was just a query I had, and there was a discussion (pd11 forum concerning Powerdirector's use of it). So thought I'd create a 4K image and see what happens when brought into PD12 and some effects applied.
Jim
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James Dotson
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I always use a custom profile on my GoPro videos because of some of the odd sizes. __________________________________
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James1
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Hi Jaime-esque,
Have you tried the GoPro 4K format and edited in PD? I have some (foolish footage) shot at the various formats just to see but haven't brought them into PD12 yet...that was the reason I asked this question cause I figured if my editor and viewing equipment are 16:9 what the point.
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ynotfish
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Ah - Jim - you were talking about what happens when you watch the video on your non-4K screen. I thought you meant that PD shrinks it. OK - I get it now.

You're right - the player or the TV scales the image to match.

Many would argue there's not much point shooting & editing in 4K without the necessary hardware at the viewing end. A friend of mine has a 4K TV but it'd be a 3 hour drive just to check how my video looks! Nah.

Cheers - Tony
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But but ... this looks so shiny and so pretty... !!!





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Sounds like Sony has a proprietary XAVC codec in the camera that uses the .MXF container. Maybe I'll stick to the Acer Liquid S2 phone. LOL A phone that shoots 4k! Intel i7 4770k, 16GB, GTX1060 3GB, Two 240GB SSD, 4TB HD, Sony HDR-TD20V 3D camcorder, Sony SLT-A65VK for still images, Windows 10 Pro, 64bit
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