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BroDon316
Member Location: Landenberg, PA Joined: Jun 23, 2013 09:55 Messages: 51 Offline
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When I make DVDs with PD11 they are pixilated or blocked. See it about every 6 seconds. These are mostly head shots in a presentation, so the subject is still. The pixilation is over the face region. I have done a variety of tests to spot problem, but no answers so far.

Source is 8 clips from Canon 6D, 24 fps, ALL-1 compression, for about 60 minutes of final DVD. I have tried sync/not sync with DP11 when I import the clips for editing. No difference on final DVD - all have the pixilation. Editing is entirely split and trim. NO pixilation is seen during PD11 editing in HD mode, but do see lots of lip sync errors. Then the lip sync comes back in.

First DVDs were with no editing or denoise on audio. Adio track was produced and then normalized and denoised with RX2-Izotope. Made no difference on the final DVD pixilation problem. PD11 auto sets to MPEG-2 format for DVD production.

I am using Memorex and Falcom high quality DVDs. I used same to make DVDs from Pinnicle 12 and have no problem. Even made one where I was testing settings on Canon Vixia HF S10 camcorder where went from 60-30-24 fps and got no pixilation on the mixed fps DVD.

PD11 DVDs created with MPEG-2 in 3:4 and 9:16, got pixilation in both. Also made a AVC 24 fps at 16Mbps file and then used that to create the DVD, still got the pixilation. Although it moved from about every 6 seconds to about every 8 seconds. Always over the face and head where the motion is.

Please help.
 Filename
DxDiag ASUS.txt
[Disk]
 Description
Dxdiag of ASUS G750 computer that makes the DVDs
 Filesize
57 Kbytes
 Downloaded:
324 time(s)
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BroDon316
Member Location: Landenberg, PA Joined: Jun 23, 2013 09:55 Messages: 51 Offline
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I just created a DVD using Adobe Premier Elements, running on the ASUS computer, and it looks GREAT! No pixilation, totally in sync audio-video througout.

So I think there is no problem in producing the file in PD11, the problem is in burning the DVDs.

Any ideas? PD 11 Ult Suite PD11.2812,
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Dafydd B [Avatar]
Senior Contributor Joined: Aug 26, 2006 08:20 Messages: 11973 Offline
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Hi BroDon316 ,
Options to tryout.
1. In Create Disc, Check the "Create to folder" option as well as Burn to Disc.
2. Uncheck in Preferences, Hardware Acceleration
3. Slow the burn speed.
Maybe they'll help you.
Dafydd
BroDon316
Member Location: Landenberg, PA Joined: Jun 23, 2013 09:55 Messages: 51 Offline
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Thank you for the ideas. I will do them. I understand how to do all of them but "slow the burn speed."
I know how to do this in Nero, but not in DP11 PD 11 Ult Suite PD11.2812,
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Dafydd B [Avatar]
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Hi BroDon316,
Follow the route in the image.


Create Disc Workspace
Select Burn in 2D (or 3D)
Final Output dialogue box appears
Select Burn Settings
Select Recording Speed, drop down arrow options available for your disc burner.
Select OK.

Hope that helps.
Dafydd
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Burn Settings - disc speed
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BroDon316
Member Location: Landenberg, PA Joined: Jun 23, 2013 09:55 Messages: 51 Offline
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Will do, thanks! PD 11 Ult Suite PD11.2812,
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stevek
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Regarding media; you might want to look at this: http://www.digitalfaq.com/reviews/dvd-media.htm

It is slightly dated but still good information. It is NOT a solicitation to buy media from that company.

What brand discs are tested and recommended by your burner? You may have to go to their web site to see that information. .
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Anything I post unless stated with a reference is my personal opinion.
BroDon316
Member Location: Landenberg, PA Joined: Jun 23, 2013 09:55 Messages: 51 Offline
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I made a DVD from the source clips in PD11 following your sugestions. Write speed was set on 8, so I changed it to 4.
Resulting DVD had no pixilation! Yahoo!

It would play on my older computer. That is where I saw the pixilation had gone, BUT the DVD disc would not play in my old TV DVD player. Error is "Incorrect DVD." With a DVD made from a produced movie file with Adobe Premier Elements, that DVD ran on the old TV DVD player. So we are halfway there. PD 11 Ult Suite PD11.2812,
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Carl312
Senior Contributor Location: Texas, USA Joined: Mar 16, 2010 20:11 Messages: 9090 Offline
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Quote:
It would play on my older computer. That is where I saw the pixilation had gone, BUT the DVD disc would not play in my old TV DVD player. Error is "Incorrect DVD." With a DVD made from a produced movie file with Adobe Premier Elements, that DVD ran on the old TV DVD player. So we are halfway there.

What TV format is your project set to, NTSC (30 fps) or PAL (25 fps). What country are living in NTSC or PAL? (PA the USA which is NTSC).

If you have an older player that is a NTSC player and your Disk is burned to PAL many players will give the message you received.
Or PAL player NTSC Burn.

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BroDon316
Member Location: Landenberg, PA Joined: Jun 23, 2013 09:55 Messages: 51 Offline
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STATUS UPDATE:
I made several discs; all DVD-R, all from the origional clips with no intermediate produced file.
slower speed - went from 8 to 4 or 3.0
yes and no enhanced in preferrences
folder and no folder on DVD create
All DVDs made to date with PD11, Adobe Premier Elements 11 or Pinnacle 12 have had no menues.

In PD11, with folder the 60 min content took 1 hr to write at a speed of 4.0, with no folder took about 25 minues, even at a write speed of 3.0. Both DVDs had no pixilation.

For yes/no enhanced - both had no pixilation at the slower write speeds.

Seems that the answer for no pixilation is to write at a slower speed of 3.0 or 4.0.

BUT none of these could be read by my old TV DVD player, yet the one I made with Adobe Premier Elements could be read, as well as ones made with Pinnacle 12. But at least I have a way to make DVDs via PD11-produced file with APE using the other awesome features of PD11, especially the subtitles.

I agree the quality of the blank DVD is key. While I have had no problems or evidence that my pack of 50 Memorex -R DVDs have a problem, I agree they may not be as good as the Falcon or other DVD's. I got the Falcon's from WTS Media who back them 100% with a lifetime guarantee. They sent them to me instead of Taiyo Yuden and report they do as well or better in terms of customer claims and at a savings of $8/100. BTW, WTS will not give a lifetime guarantee for the Verbatim 52x they sell as a lower cost alternative.

Since I have had good results of no pixilation and able to play on the old TV DVD player by not burning with PD11, I do not think the burner or the blank DVDs I am using are key factors. I maybe wrong, but that is what it looks like to me.

Any other ideas? PD 11 Ult Suite PD11.2812,
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BroDon316
Member Location: Landenberg, PA Joined: Jun 23, 2013 09:55 Messages: 51 Offline
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Hi Carl,

USA, near Philadelphia, PA.
PD11 set for US NTSC, no PAL settings in PD11 that I am aware of.
The "old TV DVD player" is a Toshiba and has been in use for the last 8 years, and typically works very well with store bought and home made DVDs (prior to PD11).

The clips are at 24fps, and when the intermediate PD11 file is made into a DVD with Adobe Premier Elements 11, it plays fine on the old DVD player with no pixilation. The PD11 Produced file is AVC 1920x1080, 24p (16Mbps) and for the 58 min of content is 6.33GB. The DVD is at 3.9GB.

When I imported the 24fps files into PD11, I get a notice that they are not 30fps and asked if I want to sync to the project, I said no. Now when I made the first DVDs that showed the pixilation but would play on the DVD player, I think I agreed to the syncing. Those made more recently when I used the pac file to move from the old computer to the new ASUS computer, I did not sync.

So can I sync the clips to 30 for the PD11 edit mode after the fact? Then I can test if that is the reason the PD11 discs are not read by the DVD player.

Yet there is no pixilation or no problem being read if the intermediate file is made by PD11 and then imported to APE11 to DVD creation. And that is a video file made from the un-synced clips. PD 11 Ult Suite PD11.2812,
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BroDon316
Member Location: Landenberg, PA Joined: Jun 23, 2013 09:55 Messages: 51 Offline
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Hi Carl,

I do not know where there is a setting for NTSC or PAL in the DVD creation.

For making the Produced video file, I have it set at NTSC and not PAL.

I see no similar option in the Create Disc area. Is there one? PD 11 Ult Suite PD11.2812,
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BroDon316
Member Location: Landenberg, PA Joined: Jun 23, 2013 09:55 Messages: 51 Offline
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Thanks for the input.

I made a DVD on the same burner using Adobe Premier Elements, and it works just fine on my computer and old TV DVD player, and no pixilation.

So in my opinion, the burner is capable of burning good DVDs.

I use DVDs from WTS Media that are lifetime gauranteed by them, and have now produced good DVDs from this ASUS burner.

But I will look up your reference. PD 11 Ult Suite PD11.2812,
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Carl312
Senior Contributor Location: Texas, USA Joined: Mar 16, 2010 20:11 Messages: 9090 Offline
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RE: the Memorex DVD-R disks, I use Memorex DVD+R DVDs and have good luck with them.

On the older Toshiba DVD player, it may not handle DVD-R disks, you would have to check the manual on "Playable Disks".

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BroDon316
Member Location: Landenberg, PA Joined: Jun 23, 2013 09:55 Messages: 51 Offline
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Hi Carl,

I found a setting in Edit-Preferences-General where I did had it set to PAL 25. I had read somewhere that since all my clips are at 24fps, it was better to use the PAL setting of 25.

I reset it to NTSC-30 and remade the DVD in PD11, no folder, enable hardware decoding on a Falcon blank DVD-R, write speed of 3.0.

For information, previously I had set in Produce-Country/Format of disc to NTSC when I made the video file AVC1920x1080/24p 16Mbps. The settings in APE11 for DVD creation was NTSC.

The PD11 DVD with the new setting in Edit-Preferences-General WORKED! It had no pixilation and the TV DVD player opened it just fine!

Thank you one and all!

NEW QUESTIONS:
1) what penalty did this setting cause when using 24fps clips in the final DVD?

2) what are the best settings througout with the 24fps clips?

3) How do we handle it when we have clips of different fps in the same project? Say a mix of 60-30-24-25. PD 11 Ult Suite PD11.2812,
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BroDon316
Member Location: Landenberg, PA Joined: Jun 23, 2013 09:55 Messages: 51 Offline
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Thanks Carl,

That Toshiba player handles DVD-R discs

See status report above that I finally got the PD11 DVD to play per your suggestion to check the NTSC settings in the Project Preferences. But that leaves me questions on how to handle 24fps in PD11, and even if PD11 is the program I should be using.


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Cap'n Kevin
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This might be of help.

http://forum.cyberlink.com/forum/posts/list/26463.page#144137
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BroDon316
Member Location: Landenberg, PA Joined: Jun 23, 2013 09:55 Messages: 51 Offline
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Thanks Capt'n Kevin,

I found the same answer a few days ago, burn to file and use that file to make DVD in Adobe Premier Elements 11. Since then I disocvered the problem for me was in the Project - Edit - Preferences - General setting to match my NTSC DVD players. PD 11 Ult Suite PD11.2812,
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BroDon316
Member Location: Landenberg, PA Joined: Jun 23, 2013 09:55 Messages: 51 Offline
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The DVD made from PD11 with the preferences set at NTSC 30 looks and sounds just like the ADP11 DVD made from a PD11 produced file. So no pixilation and both run on the old TV DVD player. Both appear to be of the same video quality when the DVDs are played on the TV DVD player

But both seem to have an echo added to the audio that is not heard in the origional clips in PD11 edit mode.

I assume that PD11 is adding the echo somewhere.

I would prefer not to have the added echo sound. Does anyone have any ideas on this?

QUESTION: When I play it back on my old computer with CL PowerDVD7, the sound is like on the clips - no echo. It is only 2 channel. So I suspect the Dolby Surround sound feature. Any idea on how to turn this off so result DVD is only 2 channel if I want it?

Should I make this a new subject on the forum? PD 11 Ult Suite PD11.2812,
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Carl312
Senior Contributor Location: Texas, USA Joined: Mar 16, 2010 20:11 Messages: 9090 Offline
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Quote: Hi Carl,

I found a setting in Edit-Preferences-General where I did had it set to PAL 25. I had read somewhere that since all my clips are at 24fps, it was better to use the PAL setting of 25.

I reset it to NTSC-30 and remade the DVD in PD11, no folder, enable hardware decoding on a Falcon blank DVD-R, write speed of 3.0.

For information, previously I had set in Produce-Country/Format of disc to NTSC when I made the video file AVC1920x1080/24p 16Mbps. The settings in APE11 for DVD creation was NTSC.

The PD11 DVD with the new setting in Edit-Preferences-General WORKED! It had no pixilation and the TV DVD player opened it just fine!

Thank you one and all!

NEW QUESTIONS:
1) what penalty did this setting cause when using 24fps clips in the final DVD?

2) what are the best settings througout with the 24fps clips?

3) How do we handle it when we have clips of different fps in the same project? Say a mix of 60-30-24-25.

Answer to Q1: Very little, PD does have to make up the 6 frames to change the rate from 24 fps to 30 fps.

Q2: Powerdirector 11 has a AVC profile of 1920x1080/24p (16 Mbps) in the produce module. You can produce to the same format.

Q3: Clips of mixed formats will have to be rendered to the one output format you choose. I find there is little consequence of producing mixed videos to one good profile.

The Setting in Edit-Preferences-General is what sets the output format for creating Disks in the Create Disk Module.
With your setting of PAL, you were making PAL DVDs which your American DVD player was rejecting.

Which is the reason for my question of what country. USA and Canada is NTSC, many European countries are PAL.

Glad you got your problem solved!
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