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yangli [Avatar]
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I have MTS files shot by Panasonic Z10000. I want to pack the MTS files into AVCHD structure on SD card without being rendered. PD11 seems to render my files smaller which I hate. I just want to keep original MTS files in an AVCHD folder structure. Wonder if you guys have a software I can purchase to do this simple work for me? BTW, Why doesn't PD11 do this job for users like me?
Eugen157
Senior Contributor Location: Palm Springs area, So.CA Joined: Dec 10, 2012 13:57 Messages: 662 Offline
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SVRT will produce w/o rendering. For example I shoot in 1920x1080 60P 28Mb, and can produce a identical1920x1080 60P 28Mb file with minimal rendering, a second or two at a transition for example. Most of your video will be original, no rendering. Look it up in the manual. You can then use that file on a USB drive etc.

Eugene

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yangli [Avatar]
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Thank you Eugen for your answer. I did tried the SVRT, but it seemed the PD11 still transcoded my each file.
I shot with Z10000 at 1920*1080 60i(which is the highest) and choice 1920*1080 60i AVCHD to SD card on PD11.
what other settings I could try to make SVRT work? Thank Eugen157 and guys.

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yangli [Avatar]
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The menu doesn't siad too much about the SVRT. I saw my SVRT info showed 1920*1080 16M .... while my mts files are 1920*1080 24M. Is this the problem? I wonder if I can create new SVRT config file to adpat my mts or there is somewhere in the software that I can config? Thank you guys for any help!!

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RobAC [Avatar]
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Have you tried just copying your MTS files straight to the SD card?

Then use your Panasonic software or Power Director to see if they read them correctly from the SD card.

Rob
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yangli [Avatar]
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either Z10000 camcorder or Panasonic Blu-ray player BWT820 only recognize AVCHD folder structure. they don't see any MTS or M2TS files in root directory. So I need the AVCHD folder structure. But Rob, you just hit the point here. What I need is actually not editing but just put my raw MTS together for my player to play. So I just need a software to wrap up all my MTS fiels into an AVCHD structure by generating playlist and CPI files.
Thank you so much Rob for your reply.

PS:The Panasonic HD writer XE 1.0 software doesn't see single MTS file either. It also needs some trick Panasonic shxt as well, such as .cont and .tmb files.(.cont&.tmb seem to be Panasonic unic, not AVCHD standard)

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yangli [Avatar]
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Back to PD11 SVRT topic. I think there are two points to discuss here. One is during production, how the SVRT works? Another is during creat disc. If a user wants to create AVCHD disc from MTS or M2TS, how the SVRT works?
RobAC [Avatar]
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Yangli,

Check your pm.

I am using a Sony Camcorder with the latest version of the Play Memories software. It has two options. (I haven't tried them yet.)

Export Files (back to the camera or other attached device) and
Create Discs (as Data, Blu-ray and also AVCHD option.)

I did a search just now and came up with a prgm called "AVCHD Manager"
Don't know if that will work- but it is an example of software that has a lot of potential in terms of keeping the AVCHD structure to be used on an external HD or backup drive.

Rob
PD 14 Ultimate Suite / Win10 Pro x64
1. Gigabyte Brix PRO / i7-4770R Intel Iris Pro 5200 / 16 GB / 1 TB SSD
2. Lenovo X230T / 8GB / Intel HD4000 + ViDock 4 Plus & ASUS Nvidia 660 Ti / Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIZw3GPwKMo&feature=youtu.be
yangli [Avatar]
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Rob,
I have tried a lot of software including AVCHD manager and multiAVCHD. It seemed AVCHD manager doesn;t understand AVCHD 3D format and only sees one video channel and ignores another. multiAVCHD does transcoding like PD11 and even cuts my file zise to half, which I guess multiAVCHD doesn't recognize dual video channels either but just drops one channel during the transcoding(like AVCHD manager) So I guess AVCHD 2.0 is over too new for most of the software to support yet.
Thank you Rob for your kind help !!!

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Eugen157
Senior Contributor Location: Palm Springs area, So.CA Joined: Dec 10, 2012 13:57 Messages: 662 Offline
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yangli,
download the free MEDIAINFO and check what your format is.

SVRT will handle some formats w/o rendering as long as the produce file has identical parameters, including same bit rate.

Eugene

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General
ID : 1 (0x1)
Complete name : M:\Z10000 3D\2013-04-12_130410.m2ts
Format : BDAV
Format/Info : Blu-ray Video
File size : 94.0 MiB
Duration : 31s 30ms
Overall bit rate mode : Variable
Overall bit rate : 25.4 Mbps
Maximum Overall bit rate : 28.0 Mbps

Video #1
ID : 4113 (0x1011)
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile : High@L4.0
Format settings, CABAC : Yes
Format settings, ReFrames : 2 frames
Format settings, GOP : M=3, N=15
Codec ID : 27
Duration : 30s 964ms
Bit rate mode : Variable
Maximum bit rate : 21.6 Mbps
Width : 1 920 pixels
Height : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate : 29.970 fps
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Interlaced
Scan order : Top Field First
yangli [Avatar]
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Eugene,
I just posted the output of mediainfo. Any suggestions? Thank you.

Eugen157
Senior Contributor Location: Palm Springs area, So.CA Joined: Dec 10, 2012 13:57 Messages: 662 Offline
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I do not see anything obviously wrong, other than my frame rate of 60P your parameters seem close enough.
Is your destination profile exactly the same ?. If not then rendering will be used.

Page 227 of the manual discusses when SVRT can be used. You find it under downloads-software updates.

Eugene

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73s, WA6JZN ex DL9GC
CYBERLINK PLEASE ADD UHD BLU RAY BURNING SOFTWARE
PD14,
Win10,64bit.CPU i7 6700,16GB ,C= 480 GB SSD ,GPU GTX1060 6GB 1 fan. Plus 3 int, 4 ext HDD's for video etc.LG WH16NS40 reads UHD.
4K 24" ViewSonic monitor.Camera Sony FDR-A
yangli [Avatar]
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Eugene,
There are not many I can set in the output window. I just selected AVC H.264, 1920*1080 60i, 24M. When I click intelegent SVRT it shows a line in red saying 1920*1080 16M...and MTS needs to be rendered... 16M! this is strange.
Thank you Eugene!
Dafydd B [Avatar]
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Hi yangli ,
Thank you for the information so far.
1. Please provide the whole data for mediainfo - you missed off the audio (quite important) data.

2. Please provide a 5 second sample of the mts file.
2-1. Point and shoot 5 seconds,
2-2. upload as an attachment.
2-3. Select Post Reply, http://forum.cyberlink.com/forum/posts/reply/0/28418.page

3. I'd like to know what operating system you are using, is it Windows 8?

Dafydd
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Quote: Hi yangli ,
Thank you for the information so far.
1. Please provide the whole data for mediainfo - you missed off the audio (quite important) data.

2. Please provide a 5 second sample of the mts file.
2-1. Point and shoot 5 seconds,
2-2. upload as an attachment.
2-3. Select Post Reply, http://forum.cyberlink.com/forum/posts/reply/0/28418.page

3. I'd like to know what operating system you are using, is it Windows 8?

Dafydd


Hi yangli,
Thank you for the data, however, it would be best if you had saved the media info to a text file and attach it rather than paste it to a post.
Please read my earlier post and you'll see I have specifically requested additional data you need to provide. The sample file will allow members to test on their systems and is important to have.
To clarify, items 2 and 3 need to be answered please asap.
Dafydd
yangli [Avatar]
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Dafydd,
My bad! I thought I did it successfully and the sample was posted to another internal thread which I can't see. However I guess the upload was not finished. Let me do it now. Sorry Dafydd and thank you so so much for your attentions!

Yangli

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Here is a sample of PCM 2 channel with 1920*1080,60i vodeo
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