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Hello all,

I'm about to shoot and make a movie with friends. It's a movie for a friend who is going to marry in a month. The movie will be full of moments of his life, played by my friends.
Now I want to make it to look as professional as possible, well.. at least I'll try

Now what I see in most of the latest cinema movies is that they have a certain 'toning'. It looks very different from the shots you take directly out of your camera. If you don't know what I mean, take a look at some trailers on Youtube and maybe you'll see it.

Does anybody know how to get such toning in PD11? Which preset, sliders etc.?
Thanks in advance.

NB: I'll shoot with my Nikon D5100 DSLR.

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ynotfish
Senior Contributor Location: N.S.W. Australia Joined: May 08, 2009 02:06 Messages: 9977 Offline
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Hi HwKok -

I don't know the exact look you're after, so it's difficult to say whether PD would be able to process your video in the way you want. You may need to use specific colour grading/correction software, like CL's ColorDirector.

Here are some links that might help...

http://vimeo.com/39958968 (shot on Nikon D5100 - processed in VirtualDub)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V45gmmYyDYk (also shot on 5100 - edited in PD)
http://fenchel-janisch.com/cinematic-look-nikon-d5100-dslr-film-look (processed & edited in AE)

http://digitaladvice.littlehole.net/archives/140

Cheers - Tony

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1Nina
Senior Contributor Location: Norway, 50km southwest of Oslo Joined: Oct 08, 2008 04:12 Messages: 1070 Offline
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Hi,

there is actually a lot you can do in “fix / enhance” with color adjustment.
I don’t have ColorDirector, so I can’t advise regarding that.
But, tuning hue / saturation / exposure – and perhaps downscaling vibrancy,
I would think you could find “a toning” you could be satisfied with.

(I would make a note of what values I set so to have footage shot in the
same light / surroundings correspond. And in my case, given the specs I work with,
using correction on a wide scale in PD, I would have to pre-produce quite often.)

Nina
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stevek
Senior Contributor Location: Houston, Texas USA Joined: Jan 25, 2011 12:18 Messages: 4663 Offline
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My personal opinion ! DONT use a DSLR to record the video ! Some of them have non-standard encoding and might get some issues in editing the recorded video. Beg, borrow, rent or (not don't do that) a real camcorder to record the video.

This ocassion usually only happens once so don't scrimp. Even a low cost camcorder (with good low light preformance) will be better than the DSLR.

Again only my opinion ! .
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1Nina
Senior Contributor Location: Norway, 50km southwest of Oslo Joined: Oct 08, 2008 04:12 Messages: 1070 Offline
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A couple of years back, I stumbled over this video shot only with a DSLR, without tripod.
I have since then watched this video many times, not only because it was
made on a trip to Norway, but for the magnificent shooting and editing (my opinion).
I am intrigued by the depth of field, shooting from inside the train, choice of focus.
(My DSLR shoots avi.)

http://vimeo.com/14267725

Nina


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All vodi
Senior Contributor Location: Canada Joined: Aug 21, 2009 11:24 Messages: 1431 Offline
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I use 3 different SLR for video (Canon, Sony, Panasonic) and they all do a great job of the project. PD has no issues with any of them.

As for your cinema toning, we need more info from you. But you can check out NewBlueFX in the effects tab to see if it's what you're looking for. Win 10, i7
ynotfish
Senior Contributor Location: N.S.W. Australia Joined: May 08, 2009 02:06 Messages: 9977 Offline
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HwKok -

Some other links with good advice:

http://youtu.be/uSqvDRvv22M

http://youtu.be/PnL4Z0ebcBc (Canon 5DMkII)

http://www.learningdslrvideo.com/film-look-dslr-video/

Steve -

There's some pretty amazing video shot with DSLRs, though I understand what you're saying about problems with editing (depending on the hardware being used).

http://vimeo.com/7260115#
http://vimeo.com/8115840#

Cheers - Tony
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First of all, thanks for all the helpfull tips and hints. Very much appreciated!

Quote: Hi,

there is actually a lot you can do in “fix / enhance” with color adjustment.
I don’t have ColorDirector, so I can’t advise regarding that.
But, tuning hue / saturation / exposure – and perhaps downscaling vibrancy,
I would think you could find “a toning” you could be satisfied with.


This is actually a good method. I managed to get a nice color style with moving some of the sliders.
But how do I do this to all of my clips..easily? I don't feel like picking every clip and move the sliders every time again.

HDedit: I'll try the NewBlueFX effect to see if it works for me.

Another thing what gives a really nice cinema effect is adding black bars to the top and bottom of the movie. I take a mask and cover 1/8th of the upper and lower side of the movie. Again..it's not really easy to do this to all of the clips separately

The last thing I do is adding an ellipse gradient with the focus effect to create black, soft rounded corners. Massive.
vn800rider
Senior Contributor Location: Darwen, UK Joined: May 15, 2008 04:32 Messages: 1949 Offline
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Another thing what gives a really nice cinema effect is adding black bars to the top and bottom of the movie. I take a mask and cover 1/8th of the upper and lower side of the movie. Again..it's not really easy to do this to all of the clips separately


If you make a .png with transparent background and the appropriate black borders (with an image editor like paint.net), place it on a low track (so that it appears as an overlay to any others), extend it's duration for the whole video, it should do what you want.

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1Nina
Senior Contributor Location: Norway, 50km southwest of Oslo Joined: Oct 08, 2008 04:12 Messages: 1070 Offline
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Being in the sharing-mood,
here's my letterbox from this video: http://youtu.be/TH-KxCDoWwc

Nina
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Well here I am again.
Last night I had some time to find things out and I can say that I've got a very nice result when making a simple, short test movie.

This is how I did it:
1 - As I'm using Lightroom for editing my pictures, I found out that you can do the same for your video files. Here's an explanation for the ones that are using Lightroom too (as you're not using it, it's kind of hard to understand): http://tv.adobe.com/watch/getting-started-with-adobe-photoshop-lightroom-4/working-with-dslr-video-/
With that I could easily create a nice toning and copy it to all of my clips.

2 - After that I exported them to new files and imported the 'toned' movie clips into PD11.

3 - To create the 2,35:1 aspect ratio I looked for a template at Google. Sorry 1Nina, I didn't use your template because I was looking for an exact 2,35:1 template with the size of 1920x1080. Yours is slightly different (smaller black bars). Well, here it is in a .png with transparent middle part: http://gabrielmays.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Anamorphic_Croppings1.png
I inserted it on a new track and stretched it from beginning to the end of the movie.

4 - For a finishing touch I wanted to create a black, soft vignette. I inserted the 'focus' effect on the first clip, set it to the right amount and depth and selected to put the effect on all of the clips.

Now, that's it
The biggest advantage of pre-toning the clips in for example Lightroom is that PD11 is eating the clips much easier, resulting in faster editing and no locks or crashes.

When the movie is ready, I'll post the link in here to show you the results.

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1Nina
Senior Contributor Location: Norway, 50km southwest of Oslo Joined: Oct 08, 2008 04:12 Messages: 1070 Offline
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You seem to have found your way!
Different routes to the destination, but the point is to get there.
Looking forward to watch your video!

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Michael8511
Contributor Location: U.S.A. Indiana Joined: Jan 14, 2012 16:12 Messages: 374 Offline
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For anyone wanting to try more color grading software. The Blackmagicdesign lets you download and use DaVinci Resolve Lite for free. There is a link and the bottom of this page to download it.
http://www.blackmagicdesign.com/products/davinciresolve/software/

Here a link to see what it's got .
http://www.blackmagicdesign.com/products/davinciresolve/compare

I have download it and installed it the other night. I'm going to shoot some video with a dslr and play with it. Has for shoot video with my Canon G10 I will have to render the Mts files to a mov file. But I'm going to play with it.

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