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Can't set bitrates lower than 13000Kbps on 1920x1280 MPEG-4 output?
stan marlin [Avatar]
Newbie Joined: Aug 25, 2010 10:41 Messages: 6 Offline
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I have a number of 1920x1080 .TS video files recorded at about 13000Kbps that are taking up a lot of space on my drive. I would like to resample them to save space, but without losing too much quality. I experimented with resampling with both TMPGEnc Video Mastering Works 5 and Handbrake and determined that outputting to an MPEG-4 1920X1080 at 5000Kbps produces very good video that only uses 1/3 of the space. The problem is these two apps take 2x the duration of the video to do this. TMPGEnc has CUDA hardware support which is very fast, but I did not like its quality. I would like to see if my PowerDirector 11.0.0.2516 can output quicker with its hardware support, however all the MPEG-4 and H.264 AVC outputs only let me set a minimum of 13000Kbps when outputting to 1920x1080 sized video. Does anyone know of a way to make it use a lower video bitrate than 13000Kbps when outputting 1920x1080?
Thanks
Dafydd B [Avatar]
Senior Contributor Joined: Aug 26, 2006 08:20 Messages: 11973 Offline
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Hi Stan,
Tweaking the Profile Templates is relatively easy in PDR11.


Intert to the bottom of the Profile.ini file located at@
C:\Users\PCNAMEHERE\AppData\Roaming\CyberLink\PowerDirector\11.0
The Profile has not been tested - should work OK.

You could make your own by adjusting a 640x480 30fps, 6mbps profile - create a custom file and then go into the Profile.ini and make changes to the frame size and the bitrate and the average bitrates.

The template I have listed in the code is an amended 1920 x 1080 template.

Test and let us know how you got on.

Dafydd
Dafydd B [Avatar]
Senior Contributor Joined: Aug 26, 2006 08:20 Messages: 11973 Offline
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Open the Profile.ini in NotePad.

You may need to display "hidden" files/folders.
In W8 you should
1. Open a folder
2. Select "View"
3. Check "hidden items"

In Windows7,
1. open a Folder
2. Tools/Folder Option dialogue box/View tab
3. Option in "Advance Settings"/Hidden ..../Show hidden files....

That might help you.

Dafydd
stan marlin [Avatar]
Newbie Joined: Aug 25, 2010 10:41 Messages: 6 Offline
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Thanks Dafydd, your solution works really well for bypassing the minimum video bitrate constraint of 13Kbps that is shown in the UI. I created several 5Kbps 1920x1080 custom profiles for MPEG-4 and H.246 AVC in an attempt to reduce file size while keeping as much of the quality.
Unfortunately at 5Kbps PD11 (which reduces my video size to 1/2 original size) momentarily produces blocky artifacts in video when the scene pans around a busy scene. It is great otherwise. I toggled most settings in the profile, but it wouldn't go away. This does not happen with the built-in PD11 profiles, but those don't reduce my file size.
This is unfortunate because I love the PD11 UI and it is very fast at all encoding settings (about .5x video duration). TMPGEnc Video Mastering Works 5 and Handbrake produce better quality 5Kbps (and smaller file size) video, but they are slow at anywhere from 2x to 4x the length of the source video.
Thanks
ynotfish
Senior Contributor Location: N.S.W. Australia Joined: May 08, 2009 02:06 Messages: 9977 Offline
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Hi Stan -

Do you mean 5MBps? In other words, you set the Video Bitrate to 5000000 when you were editing the profile? That's what you said in your first post.

If so, you may have to consider using a higher bitrate to avoid the artifacts in "busy" scenes... 10MBps would still give you a decreased file size.

Quote: I have a number of 1920x1080 .TS video files recorded at about 13000Kbps that are taking up a lot of space on my drive. I would like to resample them to save space, but without losing too much quality.


Personally, I'd store the original files on an external drive.

Cheers - Tony


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Dafydd B [Avatar]
Senior Contributor Joined: Aug 26, 2006 08:20 Messages: 11973 Offline
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Hi stan marlin,
Thank you for the feedback. Perhaps I should have asked for some MediaInfo of the video you've recorded.
MediaInfo, free software: http://mediainfo.sourceforge.net/en

I'm wondering if you have an interlaced recording as the template I gave is Progressive. I also had the Profile/Video tab/Advanced/slider set to high quality, reduce that to a middle position and see what effect that has.

Often overlooked by editors is the internal hardware capabilities to process data. Supplying a diagnostic would help but would not reveal full hardware limitations.
Diagnostics Part B: http://forum.cyberlink.com/forum/posts/list/24771.page

Experiment further with your alteration of the bitrate, perhaps 8mbps or 10mbps would be a better option. You may be better off looking at other alternative formats and even modifying those. Retaining original footage in obscure or not standard (less used) is not a good option. You may however be better off converting to a similar quality but a different extension. HDD are cheap and you can save lots of video on them, make sure you double save precious footage.

Dafydd

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Adolf [Avatar]
Newbie Joined: Nov 27, 2013 07:37 Messages: 1 Offline
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Awesome guys, this works great.
I contacted support about that but of course they could not help!
Why, why, why !@#$@$#@$ are they always trying to treat us like idiots and make decisions for us.
Yes, 1080P should be at least 15Mbps, but for online or PC viewing 3Mbps work great for low action movies like landscapes etc. and it saves tons of space.

Again, I love forums and thanks, thanks, thanks!
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