AMD or INTELi7 when buying components to make up a new PC for DP11-which way to go?

John-hpxref2

Newbie Location: West Australia Joined: Nov 26, 2012 17:16 Messages: 45 Offline

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Jan 10, 2013 03:50

Ive made a decision to make up a new PC as my 6400 dual core PC just wont do the job with DP11/U

I see that members own hi end systems, using both Intel and AMD cpu's. With strictly limited cash I have to make the right choice now as I wont get a 2nd chance. Could members confirm what I have gleaned from researching the Net as to whats best to run DP11 long term? If im'e wrong, please correct me!!
1. Top end AMD run 8 cores vs 4 for Intel and are about 1/2 the price for comparable core clocks
2. But few programs use more than 2 cores at present (including DP11?) so a 4 core I7 makes more sense, given that...
3. The AMD cores take a LOT more power and run hotter than the i7, requiring more expensive cooling and PSU rating
4. The i7 series has on chip video (Intel 4000) which saves buying an expensive G Card necessary for the AMD
6. Seemingly the i7 has a speed edge over equiv AMD for single core processes?
7. BUT when, or if, vendors, such as CL, begin selling DP11 utilizing > 4 cores, then AMD may have the edge and will be better for running future upgrades to DP11?
I have been an enthusiastic user of AMD cpu's for many years and generally buy AMD for price /performance ratio, but I have to get serious with DP11 and really need some input from each set of users to help make up my mind. If I buy the i7 plus the right stuff to go with it I shall have to sell my car to pay for it. If AMD I might just scrape by cash wise
My current use is for 2D DVD production, but I may have to produce to HD BlueRay in the future and produce times will be very critical as there is much editing to do over many clips to make up one presentation for my (scientific orientated) productions
Ive no luck buying 2nd hand , every ones been a disaster and great time waster for me and want to buy new to save down time as I need to get my project off the ground this year.

This is not intended to be an AMD vs Intel "issue", as each are fine manufacturers with 1st class products, and each oscillate around the other in getting the "edge" with new released products but what do group users think of their respective platforms?
Like I said , I could do with some experienced input to help make up my mind which is the IMMEDIATE NOW platform to run DP11/U at absolute full efficiency. And what limitations does DP11 impose on hi end systems? (I've read somewhere, was it here, DP11 wont access more than 4GB in a 64 bit system??) It looks like I will be spending around $1400 in components for Intel i7 >3.5 GHz +mbrd + 16GB fast ram +PSU+ cooler system, plus case + another fast HDD for RAID plus an added $400 for hi cap fast SSD and the Win 7 license after incorporating other existing items (Aust $)
Thanks for yr time and possible inputs
John

James Dotson

Senior Contributor Location: Tennessee Joined: Aug 24, 2009 20:40 Messages: 3066 Offline

Jan 10, 2013 18:31

It is not always about how many cores a program can use. Sometimes you have other processes running that can use other cores and not slow your program down. I have used nothing but AMD for over a decade and plan to continue that trend, but I was just given an Intel laptop that seems to work Ok. Just make sure the graphics card is supported by PD and gets as much RAM and HDD as you can and you should be good. __________________________________
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John-hpxref2

Newbie Location: West Australia Joined: Nov 26, 2012 17:16 Messages: 45 Offline

Jan 10, 2013 21:30

Thank you Jaime-esque
Can u tell me please what AMD chip, core speed, Ram size and speed and GC card you use , HDD or RAMdisk specs and , of possible, what average time it takes you to produce your most "typical " length video, chaptered and titled please? Perhaps with a few inputs like this from interested members I can see a trend as to which system is best to buy... and like you I prefer AMD for price/performance and ive never had an AMD cpu fail on me yet, but I also have had PCI based Intel 3Ghz boxes that are just as reliable. My new system will be TOTALLY dedicated to PD11/U so that non PD11 stuff , except the op sys, wont ever be running in background. After install of PD11 I shall even remove the I/net from the system.
I see too there's been some discussion here on inbuilt Intel 4000 graphics being a tad faster than PCIe GC cards which, if I go i7 Intel, should save me money. Thanks for thumbs up on AMD, though. thats a start!
And possiblly all this information, properly collated, may be of interest to the group as a whole ?
(It may show not so much AMD vs Intel, but which set of components are best to buy for each cpu to get best through put from each platform)
John

James Dotson

Senior Contributor Location: Tennessee Joined: Aug 24, 2009 20:40 Messages: 3066 Offline

Jan 10, 2013 23:42

My current system is an older Athlon 64 x2 4200 with 4GB RAM. I was looking at upgrading when I acquired this laptop, so I have put if off for a while. I am just getting the laptop set up with PD and I can already see a big improvement with the Intel i3 4 core CPU with 6GB RAM. When I do get my new AMD, it will be at least 6 cores for the small price difference over 4 cores. I don't have a specific model picked out as they change so fast. __________________________________
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kingsmeadow

Senior Member Location: Cambridge, UK Joined: Dec 06, 2011 11:52 Messages: 179 Offline

Jan 11, 2013 03:52

Quote: Thank you Jaime-esque

I see too there's been some discussion here on inbuilt Intel 4000 graphics being a tad faster than PCIe GC cards which, if I go i7 Intel, should save me money. Thanks for thumbs up on AMD, though. thats a start!
John

I have both rendering systems, and I just did a test for your info.

A 2 hour video rendered with Intel Quick Sync took 20 minutes (1440X1080 50fps into an m2ts file)

The same video with Nvidia GPU took 30 minutes . However there has been more discussions on the output quality, which is still in debate. One day I will do some definitive testing. Intel Core i7 3770K 3.6 Ghz,
GTX 680, 2 X Benq23 3D monitors,
6G DDR3, Win 7 64, Win 10 (Insider) 64
PCIE SSD, Intel Sata SSD 2 500 Gbyte Seagate,
Minoru 3D WebCam, NVIDIA 3D Vision-Ready

Jimbo223

Member Joined: Apr 25, 2012 02:59 Messages: 95 Offline

Jan 11, 2013 06:33

I would spend on RAM if anything.
Video editing is a memory intensive/hungry application.

If you run a 64bit version of Windows, your RAM is only limited by what the motherboard can max out at.

Research the motherboards available for your budget, max out the ram on it (if you can), whack the AMD/Intel chip for your budget and I would recommend buying an end of line graphics card (that's still up to the job) that can handle hardware acceleration on sale.

Not a super-mega top of the range giga-quad job for the gamers! You can save a whole load of cash that way.

32-bit Windows max out at 4Gb, that's it.
Then you're thrashing the harddrive, and that's if the machine doesn't crash first!

If you're thinking of building this yourself, look at the power-supply's Wattage, and balance it out with the rest of the components. Your graphics card will affect the heaviest demand.

Hope this helps.

John-hpxref2

Newbie Location: West Australia Joined: Nov 26, 2012 17:16 Messages: 45 Offline

Jan 15, 2013 02:26

Thanks guys, for all the useful input. I was going to close down my efforts on PD11 on this PC and wait till I upgraded, but in interim I came across a video edit and authoring site and downloaded their s/ware "just for the hell of it" And guess what? On the very same PC I have been able to do in a half hour what I have NEVER been able to finish on DP11 in over a fortnight!!!! NO crashes, NO hangups, Smooth, instant editing, Subtitles fast and easy to do, on hand video file conversion if I want it etc. Does HD too, though haven't tried it. DVD authoring a separate module and burn times about the same as PD11 in general, as one might expect but with more control over frame rate, etc.
AND ITS FREE ! Sure, no PIP, less timelines and some fancier stuff missing , but its certainly doing the job I want immediately without ANY instability or crashes. I think I shall buy the full product as I don't need to upgrade my PC with this to edit and produce quickly and hassle free. I shall keep up with upgrades to PD11 as they come out and probably wait until some of the bugs are ironed out in this product before using it again,
as its constantly advised that if you have problems with DP11 , to re install it each time. To my mind a product that is advised to be repeatedly re installed to solve some problems has iserious problems intrinsic in its coding
It might well be that DP11 runs well enough on hi end PC systems, but even then I see recurrent problems with such users on this forum too, which makes me think twice about investing money I need for other things just to get a "better" PC, when the one I now have seems to work great with this FREE software.
Thank you again, members , for your time and trouble in answering my queries on this forum.... NO criticisms on that score.!
John

John