Intel Core i7 with onboard graphics (quicksync). There are too many issues with AMD and Nvidia GPUs and they are slower.

Quote: Intel Core i7 with onboard graphics (quicksync). There are too many issues with AMD and Nvidia GPUs and they are slower.

Unless you can back this up with some credible sources, you are pi**ing into a strong wind

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Need to be more specific. Ideally an Ivy Bridge i7. Your CPU doesn't have Quick Sync.

Quote: Need to be more specific. Ideally an Ivy Bridge i7. Your CPU doesn't have Quick Sync.

I say again, provide credible technical backup for your assertion or withdraw your advice which is incorrect and misleading to the OP who is trying to find the best system for him to run PD11.

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The driver issues are well documented in this forum. Just got to check the last few months. And I was under the assumption that it's common knowledge that QuickSync is faster than GPU rendering.

What part do you believe is incorrect?

Quote: The driver issues are well documented in this forum. Just got to check the last few months. And I was under the assumption that it's common knowledge that QuickSync is faster than GPU rendering.

What part do you believe is incorrect?

Firstly the so called driver issued has been resolved long ago with a patch from cyberlink hardly supporting the claim that it was a nVidia issue.

Secondly I am not aware of any common knowledge about quicksync being faster than a dedicated high end card. Your option is simple to prove your point and provide accurate information to the OP.

Post here links to benchmarks or technical sources that prove your point, until then it is simply your opinion that cannot be supported.

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1. What happened: Nvidia releases new driver. Cyberlink doesn't work properly anymore. Who's at fault? Who cares, the end result is the same. Ultimately Intel GPU was unaffected by these issues because they focus on stability rather than cutting edge features and gaming performance. So if you want a reliable platform for video editing, don't get an Nvidia / AMD.

2. Check out this benchmark: http://www.anandtech.com/show/5771/the-intel-ivy-bridge-core-i7-3770k-review/21

And now it's your turn to show a technical source that GPU encoding is faster compared to Ivy Bridge QuickSync.

The moderator will rightly close this thread for being OT - Off topic for PD11.

I have read your link and find nothing to compare dedicated card with integrated or help what the OP is asking other than this from your quoted thread

"Once again, Quick Sync's transcoding abilities are limited to applications like Media Espresso or ArcSoft's Media Converter—there's still no support in open source applications like Handbrake."

So enough from me

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Quote: I have read your link and find nothing to compare dedicated card with integrated

??? It's right there...

In the graphs the i7 3770 is QuickSync, the GTX680 is, well the GTX680.

"Once again, Quick Sync's transcoding abilities are limited to applications like Media Espresso or ArcSoft's Media Converter—there's still no support in open source applications like Handbrake."

So are you saying PD11 doesn't support QuickSync?

PS: *it does*

PS PS: So where is YOUR reference showing GPU encoding is faster?

This points one way, perhaps??

http://forum.cyberlink.com/forum/posts/list/25134.page#136769 Life is really simple, but we insist on making it complicated. (see below)
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The attached pdf may be beneficial to some, or controversial to others. Feedback either way always provides further insight.

Jeff

Hi JL_JL,

Very informative. Thanks for taking the time to compile and share your real world testing results.
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Hi,
Very very interesting reading (for me any way) I am an amateur at this video stuff and not that tech savvy but in my working with a geforce 560ti graphics card I intend to agree that unless there are effects etc added to a Project my system doesn't seem to change that much (on the average) and I run into very few glitches. MY system is an i72600 @3.4 Gh with the geforce 560ti grpahic card and 12 GB memory.
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Maybe Dafydd will let this post fly a bit!

The OP originally asked about a card for PD11 and GAMING....

True Intel Quicksync is and can keep up with the bigger cards in RENDERING with some programs.

However, computers do many things such as processing photographs, Audio, and editing, these functions require better than an integrated GPU to be done with speed and properly.

Now to the OPs' other requirement, GAMES the latest integrated GPUs' will play most games but at reduced resolution and settings.

This was advised in a previous link (anandtech last page) supplied and can again be seen here

http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/127603-does-ivy-bridge-replace-discrete-video-cards-for-gaming

My view if you are only using a computer to render video using PD11, then you would be using a commercial rig to run your business.

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Thanks Jeff for that testing - very interesting and seems to confirm the "limitations", if that is the right word, of CPU/GPU rendering in PD.

As to the debate in the rest of the thread, I think it revolves around what the original question actually was. Pedantically the question was :

"which card would you recommend that is best for powerdirector 11, GTX680 OR AMD7979?"

Answering specifically that, one might say neither, use QS it's maybe faster, maybe better - but it all depends.

Building in the wider opening comment
"i'm about to buy a new cpu and graphic card for editing and gaming."

probably requires the added answer of which card is deemed best for gaming - I'm not a gamer so don't know.

I make the difference because, for example, 12 months ago I bought my i5 travel ultrabook for the very purpose of doing some editing on a 3 month diving trip and so I went for a intel cpu with a discrete 1 GB GT520m only to find that the onboard QS is much better, so I never use the 520 for video editing.

Had I known before, maybe I wouldn't have gone that route and saved some money?

As an aside, I see no reason for Dafydd to take action, the thread has provided much useful information.

Cheers
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Quote:
"which card would you recommend that is best for powerdirector 11, GTX680 OR AMD7979?"

Cheers
Adrian

Sorry can't let you have that the full question was:

i'm about to buy a new cpu and graphic card for editing and gaming.

which card would you recommend that is best for powerdirector 11, GTX680 OR AMD7979?

As I also received a PM from the OP before he posted I can tell you gaming was an equal requirement to PD11

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Thank you for sharing that - even you must concede that it was not quite as clear in the original post.

I am unsure as to what you are trying to achieve here, my purpose in posting was to thank Jeff publicly for his interesting post and to point out that there were indeed 2 parts to the question, one explicit and one implicit. You imply that you had private knowledge prior to his original post, yet you seem happy to allow (indeed some might say encourage) others to concentrate their answers on the explicit part of the question only.

Ah well, we must each get our excitement from somewhere, I suppose.

Perhaps I will echo the last line, above the signature, of this post
http://forum.cyberlink.com/forum/posts/list/25826.page#140584

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Quote: Thank you for sharing that - even you must concede that it was not quite as clear in the original post.

I am unsure as to what you are trying to achieve here, my purpose in posting was to thank Jeff publicly for his interesting post and to point out that there were indeed 2 parts to the question, one explicit and one implicit. You imply that you had private knowledge prior to his original post, yet you seem happy to allow (indeed some might say encourage) others to concentrate their answers on the explicit part of the question only.

Ah well, we must each get our excitement from somewhere, I suppose.

Perhaps I will echo the last line, above the signature, of this post
http://forum.cyberlink.com/forum/posts/list/25826.page#140584

I am not sure comprehension is your strong suit! and I find nothing exciting in reading your posts.

To simplify the post for you, the OP asked a question pertaining to Games and PD11, I had answered this in a PM he sent me, then a contributor, stated that an i7 integrated GPU was the best for the OP, I disagreed as the issue of gaming was totally bypassed, and thus the thread started to get out of hand.
Subsequent posts have highlighted rendering times between integrated GPU and dedicated card although not the cards the OP was asking about.

My achievable goal is to simply provide the OP with either a satisfactory answer or a path where he can discover and answer for himself.

You trying to pull the post off topic does not assist the op in anyway.

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