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BillHansen [Avatar]
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I think there's a way to minimize or eliminate the sound (wind, car horns, voices, other noises) which is recorded incidentally by the camera as the video is shot. Can someone help me out?

Using PD 10 - OS is Win 7 -

I have placed several subtitles in the video, and have put them in the Sound track, as the subtitle tutorial indicates. I have Cyberlink Wave Editor installed but if it's the program to use, I've been unable to use it.

Bill Hansen Bill Hansen
stevek
Senior Contributor Location: Houston, Texas USA Joined: Jan 25, 2011 12:18 Messages: 4663 Offline
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Have you tried denoise under the fix/enhance tab? It has an option to remove wind noise and other.


Wave Editor works but once you select the part of the file you want to clean up, I takes forever and a day for the program to open.

If you have "native" audio in the video clips, why are you using subtitles? Usually subtitles are text type files and not audio files. I have not yet explored what you are saying about adding subtitles to the audio track. Perhaps someone can step in before I educate myself.

If you do not want the native audio track, just mute it. With the file in the timeline of the project, right clcik and one of the options is to mute the clip.

If you want the audio track but want to clean it up, right click on the video in the Media Room and select to extract the audio. Save it and then open it with Wave Editor. Clean it up as much as you can. Note that Wave Editor will NOT make the audio perfect, you will still have some noise that you can't remove if, indeed you want to use the audio from the video file. You didn't say. Once you have cleaned and saved the audio file, import it to the media room and add it to the video. Mute the original audio track associated with the video. You can adjust where the cleaned up file goes.

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Carl312
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Quote: I think there's a way to minimize or eliminate the sound (wind, car horns, voices, other noises) which is recorded incidentally by the camera as the video is shot. Can someone help me out?

Using PD 10 - OS is Win 7 -

I have placed several subtitles in the video, and have put them in the Sound track, as the subtitle tutorial indicates. I have Cyberlink Wave Editor installed but if it's the program to use, I've been unable to use it.

Bill Hansen

In Cyberlink Wave Editor, you can remove a lot of the wind noise by using the Equalizer.




If Wave Editor does not work for you:
Search for Audacity.

Audacity has many tools for editing audio files.

On the Effects menu:
Try the High pass filter, set the filter to 125 or 150 HZ.
That will make the voices have less bass but it will minimize the Wind Noise.

I doubt that will help with car horns. Try the Noise Removal, get a sample of a horn and apply the effect and see what happens.

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BarryTheCrab
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From what I have seen, I suspect PD11 has a better audio-cleaner function, but it's all rumour now, except to the few here who were chosen to be on the BETA team (my invitation seems to have been delayed).

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BillHansen [Avatar]
Senior Member Joined: Jan 03, 2012 12:43 Messages: 178 Offline
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Thanks for your replies.

Steve - I mentioned that the noise I want to remove is random stuff such as car horns, etc. I haven't added my own voice to the tracks. That's something I need to learn how to do, but it will have to wait for some later time.

Muting the tracks did work! Thanks.

Just FYI - "Audio Denoise" did not work.

Carl - I think what I need is a tutorial on how to use Wave Editor. I did look for one, but did not find it. I can Open WE okay, but that's as far as I can get. When I try to import anything into it, I get the error "no items match your request". This happens whether I try to import a project, or a file, so obviously I just don't know what I'm doing there.

For the moment, I'm okay - the audio track in my clips is muted. But once I get to the point where I want to add my own voice, or add music, I'll need to know more.

Thanks again - Bill Bill Hansen
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Found Daffyd Bevan's tutorial. Now Wave Editor makes sense! And it does work to "eliminate" sounds.

Not now - but some time soon - I will want to use this to modify my own voice, added to videos. Need an external mic, and need to know how to add that sound to my videos - but not now. I'm learning, slowly. I'm happy. Bill Hansen
Carl312
Senior Contributor Location: Texas, USA Joined: Mar 16, 2010 20:11 Messages: 9090 Offline
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Quote: Found Daffyd Bevan's tutorial. Now Wave Editor makes sense! And it does work to "eliminate" sounds.

Not now - but some time soon - I will want to use this to modify my own voice, added to videos. Need an external mic, and need to know how to add that sound to my videos - but not now. I'm learning, slowly. I'm happy.

Good!

It is a learning process.

It will all make sense soon, I promise.

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jerrys
Senior Contributor Location: New Britain, CT, USA (between New York and Boston) Joined: Feb 10, 2010 21:36 Messages: 1038 Offline
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Thinks like car horns aren't background noise, per se. No program in the world could guess if a car horn is wanted or unwanted.

If you have a "sudden" sound (like a car horn) you can use keyframes to silence it. If that leaves you with a silence in the background noise, you can copy a chunk of background noise from elsewhere to a separate track and blend it it. I've done that with crowd noise if there is an unwanted intrusion. Jerry Schwartz
BarryTheCrab
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Quote: ...If that leaves you with a silence in the background noise, you can copy a chunk of background noise from elsewhere to a separate track and blend it it. I've done that with crowd noise if there is an unwanted intrusion.

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BillHansen [Avatar]
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Jerry wrote: "copy a chunk of background noise .....to a separate track and blend it it. I've done that with crowd noise if there is an unwanted intrusion."
Barry observed: "That is a very good point to make, little fella, you must keep the ambient noise steady, because dead silence is very loud."

Thanks to both of you. Good suggestion, and excellent observation - but I'm a gradualist. I need to learn things in small steps. If I can get subtitles down and eliminate the occasional car horns and engines noises (to me, these really are background noise, despite what someone wrote) I'll have accomplished enough, for now.

Bill Bill Hansen
Carl312
Senior Contributor Location: Texas, USA Joined: Mar 16, 2010 20:11 Messages: 9090 Offline
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Quote: I have placed several subtitles in the video, and have put them in the Sound track, as the subtitle tutorial indicates. I have Cyberlink Wave Editor installed but if it's the program to use, I've been unable to use it.

Bill Hansen

Your statement "put the Subtitles in the Sound Track".
I am confused, that is not where subtitles go in Powerdirector.

There are two things that some people refer to as Subtitles.

1. The Closed Caption type that appears on the bottom third of the screen.
2. The TITLE that can be any text, font or placement on the screen.

Both types are in their own Track.
Subtitles are in the Subtitle Track, and are added in the Subtitle Room.

Titles are in the Title track (the Big T). And are created in the Title Room and Title Designer.
However Titles can be placed in any Video Track in PD 9 and up.

So What did you actually do?


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BillHansen [Avatar]
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Carl - Thanks for your note.

By now you've probably read that I did find Daffyd's tutorial, so subtitles and Wave Editor now make sense to me. That wasn't the case when I wrote the post which you quoted. Following the tutorial, it did appear to me that one first had to click on the "sound track" (the part of the video track which contains the sound recorded by the camera as video is shot) in order to place a subtitle. Working with subtitles since then, I see that it's only necessary to click on the subtitle icon to the left, and then follow the steps. All of this works just fine for me, now - but it didn't until I found the tutorials.

I do understand the difference between a title and a subtitle, but thanks for pointing that our again. I'm sure you were not implying that I could not see the separate "sound track" icon. I'll get around to learning how to use that, to add other sounds, at some later time - maybe quite soon.

At any rate, whatever the correct terminology is, the subtitles do work in the location I'm describing, and it's the same location Daffyd used in his tutorial.

The PD forums are among the most helpful ones I visit but I've come to realize that no matter how precisely I try to describe things here, I'll often be misunderstood. Another example in the current thread is Steve's observation that a honking car horn, incidentally recorded as a video is shot, is not "background noise". Who would have thought that it was not "background noise? Not me. But okay, this forum has its own set of terms and I respect that. I will probably never learn to be precise enough to satisfy the contributors to this forum but I can live with that, and I'm grateful that you all continue to be available to help me.

Bill Hansen
Carl312
Senior Contributor Location: Texas, USA Joined: Mar 16, 2010 20:11 Messages: 9090 Offline
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BillHansen,

There is no 'Right or Wrong' way to describe what your question is about.

None of us knew the correct terms at first either
Although, it helps if we are all using the same terminology.

Welcome to the PowerDirector 10 Forum - guide information to assist members.
There is pretty good description of how to explain things.
http://forum.cyberlink.com/forum/posts/list/7958.page

Following the tutorial, it did appear to me that one first had to click on the "sound track" (the part of the video track which contains the sound recorded by the camera as video is shot) in order to place a subtitle

If you will look on the left side of the edit window, the subtitle room is the bottom icon. Click on it or Press F12 in the Edit window. That brings you to the place for editing Subtitles.

The Subtitle track is actually above Video Track 1.

As to placing the subtitle, the subtitle is inserted at the point your scrubber is.

You can explore the Powerdirector interface by hovering your mouse pointer over the various icons, you will get a tool tip that describes the function.

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