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BillHansen [Avatar]
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Is shooting a video clip shot in either 30P or 60i and then producing it in 60P worth while? (I don't have the option of shooting in 60P).

I ask because my lack of success could be due to my own inexperience and lack of knowledge, or of course it could be that "up-res'ing" to 60P is not a good idea to start with.

I've produced a 2 minute clip in AVCHD 1440X1080 60P and burned it back to the computer's HD after creating a special subfolder for it. The resulting clip plays normally in Nero Show Time and looks quite good, but it won't play in Windows Media Playe, UMP Player, or VLC media player.

Bill Hansen
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Not really answering my own question - but I burned the short clip to a DVD in 1920X1080/60p and it plays just fine. I wonder why it won't play if it's burned to the computer's HD? On the HD, the file is a BUP, which isn't supported by Windows Media Player or the others I mentioned, but apparently it is supported by Nero Show Time.

Opening the DVD disc in Windows Explorer and looking at Properties, I do not see the file type. I assume it's H.264AVC but then why isn't the file on the HD also H.264AVC? Any thoughts or advice? (Or just quite worrying and enjoy the DVD?) Bill Hansen
James1
Senior Contributor Location: Surrey, B.C., Canada Joined: Jun 10, 2010 16:20 Messages: 1783 Offline
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Hi,
Well I am not an authority on this but this is my thoughts, I have PowerDVD (latest) and it also doesn't play from a folder on computer, my assumption is that it doesn't recognise the folder as a DVD and therefore plays each file as a separate video not a movie sequence.
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BillHansen [Avatar]
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That has occurred to me also - maybe PD will only play videos which have been burned to disc? It seems strange that one can burn a rendered video to the computer's HD and yet be unable to play that same video simply because it resides on the HD.

Can someone with more experience comment on that, and anything else which bears on this inability to play files which reside on the HD?

Thanks -

Bill Hansen
Ithaca NY USA Bill Hansen
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The answer appears to be that if I burn to the computer's HD in WMV or MEPG-2 format, the resulting video clip plays normally. WMV, of course, doesn't look the best. MEPG-2 is really pretty good. But anything "more" than MEPG-2 will not play if it's burned to the computer's HD. They all play beautifully when burned to a disc, even AVCHD at 1920X1080 60P, 28Mbps.

I am so pleased with this program that I could jump up and down and shout. And at my age, that would be quite a feat.

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ynotfish
Senior Contributor Location: N.S.W. Australia Joined: May 08, 2009 02:06 Messages: 9977 Offline
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Bill -

Don't go doing yourself an injury!

I'm not sure if you're confused or me. Maybe one of us has been jumping around too much. Maybe it's the terms "burn" & "produce".

When you produce a video in a particular format, it will be stored on your PC as burn a disc as (say) Bill.wmv, Bill.mp4, Bill.m2ts (or whatever format you chose)

When you burn a disc (or create a folder in the Create Disc module), it will be stored within sub-folders of a particular structure.

On a DVD, the files containing the actual videos are called VTS_01_1.VOB, VTS_01_2.VOB, VTS_01_3.V0B etc. These files can be imported into PD. They're stored in the Video_TS folder.
- .BUP files are just backup files of the .IFO, which has information about the disc structure.

On an AVCHD DVD, the video files are called 00000.mts, 00001.mts, 00003.mts etc. These files can be imported into PD & played on media players. They're stored (on the disc) in E:\BDMV\STREAM

Cheers - Tony

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BillHansen [Avatar]
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After trying to describe my understanding of the PD process and reconcile it with what you wrote, it occurs to me that maybe I should just let things lie, and be happy that most of the editing/producing/burning/playing process is working for me. But let me give it one try, setting forth my understanding of what goes on, and what has occurred with my attemps so far. Remember - burning to disc works just fine. It's burning to the computer's HD which doesn't allow me to achieve playable videos, except in limited circumstances:

When I produce a video on PD, it doesn't burn anything at all. The act of "Producing" (rendering) doesn't even save anything, except to the extent that PD does temporary saves as work progresses. It just creates a file type the name of which I can't see and which has the white logo with a musical notation in its center, like an audio file might. That file does not play, but it can be saved with a project name and imported back into PD for further work, just as you wrote. Also, that file can be worked on in PD's "Create Disk" module.

If, after "producing" the file in a format such as AVI, MEPG-4, I go on to PD's "Create Disk" module, then click on "Burn in 2D" and then (in the resulting menu) click "Create a folder" (and create the folder) and click "Start Burning" - that's where I can create a file on the computer's HD which can be played by the computer or on the TV if I burn it to disk.

However, the process outlined in the paragraph above doesn't always result in a file which can be played by most software players. That is, not all formats can be read if the file is burned to the computer's HD. I asked about this in a thread to the forum last week, but only one person responded and basically he said he didn't know how to burn files to the HD in a format which would play on the PC. Frustrated, I did my usual blind banging of my head against the wall, trying different ways to "produce" and burn tothe computer's HD, until I found today that if saved to the computer's HD only WMV and MEPG-2 files are played by WMV12 or Easy Media Player. AVI, MEPG-4, AVC, and MOV are not read by any of the several software media players I tried - except for Nero Show Time, which reads them all with no difficulty at all. If I burn to any of those formats (MPEG-4 etc) the resulting file on the computer's HD is not MPEG-4 etc, but BUP or MOV.

The other thing which surprised me was that none of the video formats (WMV, AVI, MPEG-4 etc) were saved with the same format name. The playable parts of the WMV and MPEG-2 formats always appear in a folder which PD automatically names "My Video". When I open that folder I see that its contents are divided into 4, sometimes 5, parts. If the original format was WMV or MPEG-2 , I can click on an ideogram labelled "Video_TS" or "VTS_..." and that will play.

Of course the whole process is much more straightforward if I burn to disc, and most of the software media players I tried will play those video files without difficulty. They also play on the Sony BD player which is plugged in to the TV.

Bill Bill Hansen
ynotfish
Senior Contributor Location: N.S.W. Australia Joined: May 08, 2009 02:06 Messages: 9977 Offline
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Bill -

I'm not sure what's happening there. When you produce (render) a video, the file will be stored at your selected location. By default (in PD) it's C:\Users\UserID\Documents\CyberLink\PowerDirector\10.0

In Control Panel, you can hide or show file extensions...



When you Create a DVD folder, it looks like this... the .VOB files are playable in many media players (Splash, MPC, WMP etc)



When you create an AVCHD DVD folder, it looks like this... the .m2ts files are playable in many media players.



Cheers - Tony

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Senior Member Joined: Jan 03, 2012 12:43 Messages: 178 Offline
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Thanks for your reply, and for the screen shots. I think we're probably talking about the same things, the exception being that it's difficult for me to get MPEG-4s to play if I burn them to the HD instead of to a disc. However - just now I did get a short 6 clip MPEG-4 to play normally after I burned it to the HD. That was the first time it worked.

Otherwise my AVCHD's and DVD files look the same as yours, so I'm on the right track.

Much sooner than I thought, I find that I'll need to create a menu with Chapters. Not now - but in a few days I'll look over the available tuts again, and then perhaps post a question to the forum..

Things are going as well as they could. I'm very happy with PD.

Thanks - Bill Bill Hansen
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