Playing Sony HDR TD10 files.

cdb

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Aug 05, 2011 18:29

Are you working on being able to play these files properly yet? Powerdvd11 doesn't seem to autodetect the stereoscopic vision properly, they seem to play in 2d converted to 3d and they look horrible compared to when I play them direct on my monitor through hdmi. They actually loose resolution in 3D compared to showing them with 3d disabled, even though the bitrate shows the same.
Also because they are forced to play at 24fps, any panning gives horrible judder.

I have an Acer 27" HN274H monitor connected to a GTX460 via hdmi 1.4 and intel I7 running at 3.7Ghz, 8GB ram and 6TB of hdd, so my machine shouldn't be the problem. 3d blu-rays play perfectly so far. Well the one I have at least. So the problem seems to be the way Powerdvd11 handles the Sony files.

Will you be upgrading PowerDVD to AVCHD2 standards to give us the option to play the files at their recorded 50i or 60i framerate?

At the moment I feel like I've wasted £80.

CyberLink-Michael

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Aug 06, 2011 10:14

Hi,

can you upload a sample (30 seconds should be enough)?

the 3D files I have here (also MVC recordings) are OK as far as I can see.

when PowerDVD uses TT-3D you can set the 3D effect in the 3D settings page - if this is not available - the playback is from the native 3D without any conversion

We work constantly to improve the compatibility to new containers/formats to make sure that PowerDVD will give you the best experience. I will check with our team about your suggestion.

Br
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cdb

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Aug 06, 2011 11:54

When played in 3d this (and all other files) show the same 15MB/s but visually lower quality than when played in 2d. The camcorder records in 28MB/s so where's the other 13MB/s going?

PowerDVD11 sometimes has trouble recognising the 3d clips and will play what appears to be a single frame split in half over itself for the full video. So for example you could have the ghostly back half of a car on the left hand side and the ghostly front half of the same car on the right, it's messed up and definately not 3d.

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CyberLink-Michael

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Aug 07, 2011 07:17

Hi,
thanks for the material - we will check it!

Br
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cdb

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Aug 07, 2011 08:05

One stand out point on that video apart from the lower quality in Powerdvd11 is (at 24fps) when the 2 girls walk across the car, they judder badly, but when viewed direct (50fps) they're smooth as silk.

cdb

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Aug 09, 2011 11:22

Have you managed to check it yet?

CyberLink-Michael

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Aug 09, 2011 11:32

Hi,

I can reproduce your issue - the files are not identified as 3D material.
We are checking the root cause now.

Br
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cdb

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Aug 09, 2011 11:47

OK, thank you.

cdb

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Aug 12, 2011 09:40

Any update on this yet? If not do you know how long it might take?

CyberLink-Michael

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Aug 14, 2011 08:35

Hi,
the issue is in our R&D team now - please stay tuned

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cdb

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Aug 14, 2011 09:25

OK, thank you.

cdb

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Sep 19, 2011 11:46

Is there any update on this yet? It's been 6 weeks now.

CyberLink-Michael

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Sep 21, 2011 07:02

Hi,

there were two patches in the last two weeks.

we added support for MVC interlaced formats please check

Br
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cdb

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Sep 21, 2011 09:22

Looks like they took a while to filter through. PDVD11 has just told me there's updates although yesterday there wasn't.
Downloading now, so fingers crossed.....

Thank you.

cdb

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Sep 21, 2011 18:15

It seems to be working but............there's a horrible judder with any panning at all, which isn't there if I watch the 3d movies direct from the camcorder on the monitor, so I'm guessing the files are being played at 24p instead of their native 50i.
The files are almost unwatchable unless you have a stationary shot.

CyberLink-Michael

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Sep 22, 2011 04:54

Hi,

this happens when your display refresh rate is not compatible to the material refresh rate...

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cdb

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Sep 22, 2011 06:15

If I play them dierct on the monitor from camcorder I get no judder, so the display is compatable.

It seems that possibly the nvidia driver isn't compatable in that it doesn't have a 1080i 50/60Hz 3D setting just 24P, however it will do 1080P 50/60Hz in 2d. Doesn't the monitor see the same amount of data whether 1080i 50/60Hz in 2D or 3D, just handled differently? ie 50 or 60 frames of 1920x1080 pictures per second?

cdb

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Sep 23, 2011 18:56

Problem solved.

Don't use an HDMI cable, use a DVI dual-link cable.

I thought HDMI was supposed to be the Be all and end all cable..... Obviously not.