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Daniel Magnus [Avatar]
Newbie Joined: Mar 28, 2011 15:06 Messages: 19 Offline
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Hi!

I'm really finding PD9 incredibly non user friendly, if not impossible to use. At the moment I have a Project of a slide show where I've aligned the music perfectly to the picture changes. I've spent a lot of time synchronizing the music with the picture changes. Now I'm trying to add various transitions between the pictures. That should be an easy-peasy drag-and-drop kind of thing. But whenever I drag a Transition between the pictures, it shortens the following picture. It seems to move it too. Please tell me I'm an idiot and that I'm doing it wrong. As an example, say I have two pictures with a duration of 3 seconds each, 1-3 and 3-6 seconds. Now I want a 2 second Fade Transition between them without moving or changing either. How do I do that?

Brgds

Danny
James Dotson
Senior Contributor Location: Tennessee Joined: Aug 24, 2009 20:40 Messages: 3066 Offline
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I suspect that you need to switch the transition style. Highlight the transition and click on the button that is labeled 'Switch'. If that helps, make sure you have the latest update that was just released and you can set the default style in the settings. __________________________________
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Daniel Magnus [Avatar]
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Hi!

Ah, yes that helped. But I'm still bewildered. Everything in PD9 seems counterintuitive to me. If I place a transition between two pictures I simply expect it to transition between those pictures, that's all. I don't understand why a second button click is necessary to achieve that.

Oh, and the fact that every time you make some change the Mode changes back from Movie to Clip is driving me crazy.

Brgds

Danny
Carl312
Senior Contributor Location: Texas, USA Joined: Mar 16, 2010 20:11 Messages: 9090 Offline
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Oh, and the fact that every time you make some change the Mode changes back from Movie to Clip is driving me crazy.


Me too!

Powerdirector has done that for at least the last 2 major versions.
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Eileen1 [Avatar]
Newbie Joined: Aug 20, 2010 18:49 Messages: 39 Offline
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Quote: Hi!

Ah, yes that helped. But I'm still bewildered. Everything in PD9 seems counterintuitive to me. If I place a transition between two pictures I simply expect it to transition between those pictures, that's all. I don't understand why a second button click is necessary to achieve that.

Oh, and the fact that every time you make some change the Mode changes back from Movie to Clip is driving me crazy.

Brgds

Danny
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Newbie Joined: Aug 20, 2010 18:49 Messages: 39 Offline
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Yes I also find PD9 not as good as I expected it to be! I don't like the way the transitions have to be switched every single time and also the program keeps crashing, very disappointed.
Carl312
Senior Contributor Location: Texas, USA Joined: Mar 16, 2010 20:11 Messages: 9090 Offline
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Yes I also find PD9 not as good as I expected it to be! I don't like the way the transitions have to be switched every single time and also the program keeps crashing, very disappointed.


I understand that there is a PD 9 patch out now that gives you the choice of the transition type in preferences.

There was quite a list of improvements and changes.

http://forum.cyberlink.com/forum/posts/list/17604.page

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Daniel Magnus [Avatar]
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Hi!

Yes, and it works. But I don't understand the point of having two types of transition to begin with. I don't even understand the difference between "cross transition" and "overlap transition". They sound like the same thing to me. Or why this "overlap" is default. Or why "overlap" changes the length of the clips. My point was that it is all not intuitive, at least to me.

Brgds

Danny
ynotfish
Senior Contributor Location: N.S.W. Australia Joined: May 08, 2009 02:06 Messages: 9977 Offline
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Hi Daniel -

Have you tried the two types with video clips to compare them?

... from the PD9 User Guide (also in the Help file):
Cross Transition: when using a cross transition, the two clips are side by side
on the timeline and the transition acts like a bridge between them. For
example, if you add a two second transition between two five second clips, the
total duration is 10 seconds. The transition begins at the four second mark of
the first clip, and ends at the one second mark of the second clip.
Overlap Transition: when using an overlap transition, the two clips overlap
when the transition is taking place. This allows for parts of the two clips to play
over each other during the transition. Using the same example as above, the
total duration is eight seconds, with the transition playing for two seconds over
both clips.


Cheers - Tony
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Dafydd B [Avatar]
Senior Contributor Joined: Aug 26, 2006 08:20 Messages: 11973 Offline
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Hi Daniel,
The transition "debate" during beta and afterwards has been quite active. I'm pleased to see you have found the preferences section and that both Carl and Tony have stepped in to guide you.

I found the Cross type quite useful with specific types of transition, Slide Left for example, while the Overlap in a Fade is effective. The origins of transitions can be seen in very old films or when splicing together 8mm film. The two film strips had to be merged. A transition blurs two clips together and in doing so you can lose project content length. The two forms offered are distinctly different. As an editor you have to decide which you prefer. I use both types in projects - switching between both BUT I make my changes in preferences and not in the timeline. I too don't like the possibility of the project shifting in the track.

Hwyl
Dafydd

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Daniel Magnus [Avatar]
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Hi!

Quote: Have you tried the two types with video clips to compare them?

No, I hadn't. I'm a newbie and have only worked with still photos so far. But with video I can see the slight difference between Overlap Fade and Cross Fade. Thank you for the suggestion, it really helped to understand. However - the point remains that there is absolutely no difference between an Overlap Fade and a Cross Fade on photos. The Overlap is only irritating then, as it moves the Clips about. There should only be one for photos, Cross as it doesn't change the position of them.

Quote:
... from the PD9 User Guide (also in the Help file):
Cross Transition: when using a cross transition, the two clips are side by side
on the timeline and the transition acts like a bridge between them. For
example, if you add a two second transition between two five second clips, the
total duration is 10 seconds. The transition begins at the four second mark of
the first clip, and ends at the one second mark of the second clip.
Overlap Transition: when using an overlap transition, the two clips overlap
when the transition is taking place. This allows for parts of the two clips to play
over each other during the transition. Using the same example as above, the
total duration is eight seconds, with the transition playing for two seconds over
both clips.

I read this before trying it on video, didn't understand it then. It's the terminology that's confusing. With "Cross" I think that the two clips cross over into eachother, and with "Overlap" I think they overlap - which is the exact same thing in my head. And it is when it comes to photos. I couldn't understand how 5+5 seconds became 8 seconds in the overlap example, because I didn't get "overlap". I guess I'm dim.

Brgds

Danny
ynotfish
Senior Contributor Location: N.S.W. Australia Joined: May 08, 2009 02:06 Messages: 9977 Offline
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Hey Danny -

Don't talk about yourself like that! I never do 'cos others do it for me!

Getting around terminology is a bit of a battle sometimes. Words are used for all sorts of purposes & video editing software isn't any different. Even within PD, there are terms that have different meanings in different circumstances. There's a Title Room where you make titles (i.e. words on the screen), but in the Menu module, "Titles" are videos that you import.

I can tell you that it was a long enough battle to get the Overlap/Cross option included in Preferences, without having a separate bit for image transitions!!! Just set your preferences as you prefer.

Cheers - Tony
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Paradise55 [Avatar]
Newbie Location: Sidney, BC Joined: Nov 06, 2009 23:59 Messages: 7 Offline
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As a new PD user, I am a little perplexed as well. I've performed the download above and I still don't have an option in preferences other than one involving Magic Motion. I also have two other transistion issues. Does PD provide fade transistions on the audio tracks at all and is there a way to fade into black and out of it again between video clips without using two fades? Thanks in advance.
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Quote: As a new PD user, I am a little perplexed as well. I've performed the download above and I still don't have an option in preferences other than one involving Magic Motion. I also have two other transistion issues. Does PD provide fade transistions on the audio tracks at all and is there a way to fade into black and out of it again between video clips without using two fades? Thanks in advance.

I don't know if I understood right.
I don't know if got it right.
Fade total between videos, you can use 2 transitions FADE see photo
Normal Fade between video, 1 transition FADE in Cros Fade
Fade for the audio, control panel or directly in the graphic audio, see photo

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Paradise55 [Avatar]
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Thanks for your effort, but what I was trying to say was, is there a single fade transistion which would accomplish both. Pinnacle has a single fade transistion that you can place between any two clips, audio or video. Very quick and simple!
Dafydd B [Avatar]
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Gary,
You should have started a New Topic.

1. Fade transition, placed at the end of a clip will fade out a sequence to black.
2. If you wish a black fade between clips then leave a gap between clips and apply a fade at each end.
3. Using PiP Designer's options there is Fade in/Out. Experimenting with this option can provide you with a flexibility to carry out your task.

All video editors have different methods and quirk. Experimentation is what you need to do.

Tip: Add a screenshot to show what you mean - far better than trying to accurately describe.

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Quote: Thanks for your effort, but what I was trying to say was, is there a single fade transistion which would accomplish both. Pinnacle has a single fade transistion that you can place between any two clips, audio or video. Very quick and simple!

That is why I still prefer the PD8 for long edits on it the FAD works for audio and video combined, in addition to being able to use the copy paste, adjust the time by the clock
I think for the 64-bit version PD to Cyberlink need to reinvent various tools

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