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Custom bitrate and settings?
White Razor [Avatar]
Newbie Joined: May 26, 2011 08:10 Messages: 12 Offline
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I just upgraded to PowerDirector 9 and the YouTube setting for 720p renders at a bit rate of about 8000 kb/s. PowerDirector 8 renders at 1800 kb/s.

Why the huge increase? I really do not want to have such a high bitrate. It's ridiculous that we cannot type in a custom bit rate. Free programs allow it!!

I do not want to have to render and upload a 800 MB file each time Is there any way possible to render at about 2000 or 2500 kb/s?

I am assuming not... because I cannot find anything online about it. There have been some threads talking about this but there's no answer. This program is starting to annoy me already.
BarryTheCrab
Senior Contributor Location: USA Joined: Nov 06, 2008 22:18 Messages: 6240 Offline
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You can make your own profiles to upload to YT and non-YT, too.
It's easy, but not as easy as other sorts of file-types which you can alter within the PD interface.
Read this link, it's a good place to start.


http://forum.cyberlink.com/forum/posts/list/14626.page#70200
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vn800rider
Senior Contributor Location: Darwen, UK Joined: May 15, 2008 04:32 Messages: 1949 Offline
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I don't use the PD Youtube profiles but they are held in
C:\Program Files\CyberLink\PowerDirector\Language\Enu\Profiles
on my Win 7 system

They are standard .prx files that can be edited. You will need the windows media encoder 9.

Check out this thread :
http://forum.cyberlink.com/forum/posts/list/14626.page#70200

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BarryTheCrab
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After you click on that link (twice!), know that you can also use basically any other file-type and profile within the PRODUCE interface, then upload your new file to YT on your own, not using the PD uploader. HP Envy Phoenix/4thGen i7-4770(4@3.4GHz~turbo>3.9)
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White Razor [Avatar]
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Thanks guys, that was brilliant! I have just finished some experiments to test different bit rates, and it works like a charm! I searched for ages looking up "powerdirector 9 youtube" etc. but didn't think about "custom WMV profiles" or anything specific! I found a couple of similar threads but they didn't get replies! I was surprised, and glad, that I got one here... and so quick!

After clicking the link (twice!), I had to find somewhere to download Microsoft Video Encoder 9. I managed to find it on Softpedia: http://www.softpedia.com/progDownload/Windows-Media-Encoder-Download-1393.html

As for being able to edit any profile and uploading it to YouTube manually, I have done that before but I currently like how the program can upload it for me because I put it on when I go to sleep (and use that "shutdown when done" setting).

Again, many thanks! I can blissfully go back to LPing!
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Anyone know the native youtube 1080 30p and 720 30p specs?

Of course, it's possible youtube will upgrade it's bitrate in the future (which is why they always state to upload your best quality material)
BarryTheCrab
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White Razor, you can make your own WMV profiles that will show up in the YT-PD interface. It's all in the naming. HP Envy Phoenix/4thGen i7-4770(4@3.4GHz~turbo>3.9)
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White Razor [Avatar]
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Thanks Barry. Although I don't think there's much to change at all... right? I don't fully understand most of the settings. In other words, what major difference is there between the YouTube settings and WMV?
James1
Senior Contributor Location: Surrey, B.C., Canada Joined: Jun 10, 2010 16:20 Messages: 1783 Offline
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Hi,
I think YouTube resamples to a different bitrate or size from the 1920X1080 I think there is 1440X956 or similar for bandwidth issues...but I won't swear by that..
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White Razor [Avatar]
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Yeah there are different bitrates and resolutions, but what I was wondering was if there's any point of editing a WMV profile and putting it under YouTube... Or just editing a YouTube profile. If there's no real difference, I don't have to worry.

I now wonder why the YouTube profiles are 8000 and 10000 kb/s for 720p and 1080p respectively. Is Cyberlink thinking that we all have massive disc space and upload speed to handle it? It seems so... Unnecessary :/
vn800rider
Senior Contributor Location: Darwen, UK Joined: May 15, 2008 04:32 Messages: 1949 Offline
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I now wonder why the YouTube profiles are 8000 and 10000 kb/s for 720p and 1080p respectively.


Simply put and just for illustration - a video file comprises of video and audio streams. Each is encoded at a bitrate therefore final file size is a function of both these bitrates and time.

Again simply put, at a given bitrate the higher the "resolution" (of either video or audio) the lower the "quality" - if you define quality as "information/sec" - so to speak.

So @1280x720 each frame is 921,600 pixels, @1920x1080 = 2,073,600 pixels. Equating pixels and bitrate (purely for illustration, as it is DEFINITELY NOT a direct correlation but it serves to make the point) you get less "information"/sec the higher the resolution for a given bitrate.

Hence smaller resolutions can be encoded at lower bitrates for the same "quality", conversely higher resolutions need higher bitrates.

In practice this is way more complex, which is why there are so many different codecs, variables and choices. With the more modern codecs, many folk would hold that one of the biggest factors in file size is video content ie no movement or constant whole frame movement. No movement tends to require very little encoding/compression, lots of movement the opposite.

As with most things in life, I suspect PD offers a compromise in it's pre-sets.

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Adrian

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White Razor [Avatar]
Newbie Joined: May 26, 2011 08:10 Messages: 12 Offline
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Nicely explained. Thanks! I actually thought with a higher res, the same bitrate will just make the file bigger... Not lower quality :/
vn800rider
Senior Contributor Location: Darwen, UK Joined: May 15, 2008 04:32 Messages: 1949 Offline
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If you want more info here's a couple of examples :
http://neuron2.net/LVG/ratesandsizes.html
http://www.fastvideoindexer.com/articles/VideoCompression/VideoCompression.htm
http://www.wave-report.com/blog/?p=81

An example of more detail :
http://www.cs.cf.ac.uk/Dave/Multimedia/node200.html

Cheers
Adrian
Life is really simple, but we insist on making it complicated. (see below)
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White Razor [Avatar]
Newbie Joined: May 26, 2011 08:10 Messages: 12 Offline
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Do you guys know by any chance how to increase the maximum number of characters allowed in the YouTube name and tags field in the program?
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