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PD 9Ultra64: Stability?
chuckpuckett [Avatar]
Member Location: Alabama Joined: Jan 30, 2011 09:41 Messages: 95 Offline
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Is it just me? If I click too fast from window to window, menu to menu, track to track, whatever, PD9U64 will just as likely hang as not (by "hang", I mean eternal wait cursor, "PD9 is not responding" in Task Manager). I have to kill it, and hope my constant manual saves keep recent edits from being lost.

Does this program suffer from this much instability? I'm really getting tired of this "PD is going away" just because I click my mouse too quickly.

On another tack: normally, I'm pushing finished product to YouTube or whatever. But I like to look at the finished product before I publicize it, so I take time to produce an ondisk version. However, I'm getting results all over the map. What would the community suggest as the best format/quality settings, just to make sure my HD source all looks good, transitions are working etc? My efforts:

  • I created a WMV. It looked like the grainy stuff I had been editing.

  • I created a MOV (i've done that before), QuickTime Full HD. When I viewed it, the sound was missing.

  • I've tried MPG2 and MPG4, but sometimes that process hangs and fails to terminate.

  • Suggestions?

    ttfn Chuck Puckett
    "I don't want to steal the show. I only want to borrow it for a while"
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    Robert2 S
    Senior Contributor Location: Australia Joined: Apr 22, 2009 05:57 Messages: 1461 Offline
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    First off any cpu intensive program will stall if you are too quick with your mouse movements. I used to have this problem with my old computer and yes I am a fast mouse mover being an ex graphic artist. I had to slow down my mouse movements just a fraction to give the computer time to catch up. With my new i7 950 cpu and Win7 64 bit I no longer suffer that problem.

    Regarding what format to render to. I produce to my own profile using H.264 AVC which I find is great for quality and file size, then manually upload to youtube.

    You can see some of my videos in my signature below.

    Cheers

    Robert2 S My youtube channel====> http://www.youtube.com/user/relate2?feature=mhsn
    chuckpuckett [Avatar]
    Member Location: Alabama Joined: Jan 30, 2011 09:41 Messages: 95 Offline
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    Robert,

    Hmm. With all due respect, I submit that CPU-intensive programs in general simply become less responsive to mouse movements, NOT completely hang up. I have been a developer of graphic-design software for over 30 years, and have worked at very deep levels of the machine/human interface. Mouse movements and other inputs generate interrupts, which are then processed. CPU-intensive activity may increase the lagtime it takes for the program to respond to the input. In general, though, such activity should never cause the program to hang. One can certainly write programs using multiple threads in such a way that pathological behavior does happen, but that way of programming is generally referred to as "bad".

    Furthermore, we're talking about clicking the mouse from one track to another. After doing something like a Split on one track, and simply moving to another track in order to do a split at the same puck location. Hardly "CPU-intensive".

    Thanks for the AVC tip. I had avoided that format since I am not familiar with it, and the description seemed inappropriate as I recall. I'll look at it again. For the current project, I managed to get an MPG2 video rendered last night, after starting it and leaving it running when I went to bed. I'm surprised at the time it takes PD9U64 to render, compared to similar length videos rendered with Premiere Elements 8. Advertised speed was the primary reason I purchased PD9. I now seem to suffer program freezes and a bit of slowness. But, as I have said elsewhere, this version appears to be pretty much brand new, with 64 bit multi-threading, and I know that can be tricky. I just hope there will be frequent bugfixes as they get the kinks ironed out. Otherwise, I like the program quite a lot.

    btw: I'm running on an HP 2.8GHz Phenom Quad with onboard ATI Radeon HD 2400 grapfix, 6GB, 2.5 TB hard drives, Win7 Home Premium 64 bit. The onboard grafix is the "weakest link", and I'm looking to upgrade to a dedicated grafix card. Any suggestions? Chuck Puckett
    "I don't want to steal the show. I only want to borrow it for a while"
    http://www.puckettpublishing.com
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    twincitybulldog
    Senior Member Location: Winter Haven, Florida "Home of Legoland" Joined: Aug 03, 2009 14:59 Messages: 159 Offline
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    I have a AMD Phenom ll X4 3.2ghz Black edition.
    8gb Memory and was using a AMD HD 5450 graphics card and was having some of the same problems when dealing with HD Videos.
    I upgraded to a Radeon HD 5670(1gb GDDR5 Memory)and now everything is running very smoothly. I used PD9 with some hard editing such as you describe and haven't had any problems.
    This video card sells for around $100.00
    I am now happier the a fat lady in a candy store.

    Cheers

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    Senior Contributor Location: Canada Joined: Aug 21, 2009 11:24 Messages: 1431 Offline
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    I've been a user since PD8 came along and I also have a PC with more than ample power to handle PD9, but PD9 is definitely slower even in 640bit mode than PD8 was in 32-bit mode. Specifically, release 2504 is especially quirky when one is editing multiple HD AVC files with video correction being applied to all the files. Win 10, i7
    chuckpuckett [Avatar]
    Member Location: Alabama Joined: Jan 30, 2011 09:41 Messages: 95 Offline
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    Well, lucky me. I buy PD9U64, I happen to get build 2504.
    Wonder when a bugfix will be coming out?

    Will look into the Radeon HD 5670 card. Any other folks out there who feel strongly about a video card that works great with PD9U64?

    Or for that matter, any cards you want to strongly advise AGAINST?

    Thanks in advance. Chuck Puckett
    "I don't want to steal the show. I only want to borrow it for a while"
    http://www.puckettpublishing.com
    http://www.chuckpuckettsongaweek.com
    Bubba in TX
    Senior Contributor Location: Central Texas Joined: Dec 12, 2009 21:32 Messages: 1332 Offline
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    I am like twincitybulldog ... a couple weeks ago I went from a nvidia 8400 GS card to a ATI 5870 card and its like the difference between night and day. I was not having no real problems with the nvidia card. I only upgraded so I could get great frame rates with Fallout New Vegas. (which it did tremendously of course) My furmark bech mark rating went from 480 to 4,240.

    I also upgraded my ATX power5supply from 300 watt to 700 watt. I have the HP Pavilion m8167c. I had to remove my TV card, but I have never even hooked it up anyway. It was AGP and the new video card took two spaces.

    We all know with video editing it's not just a lot of RAM memory, as some of you 64 bit guys have already noticed, but a very good video card makes the most difference. You see that every time someone in here goes to a higher end video card because that's the first thing they say. Me included

    Using 8 gig of memory don't mean a lot when the bottle neck is the video card. I have seen it, I have done it, and now I believe it. I run 32 bit with only 3.74 gig memory available and I don't have problems either. There are several freeware GPU and CPU bench test programs that will tell you what is really going on when everything is getting stressed. Go get them and try them. It is not always caused by what you think it is. Don't trust Microsoft's built in indicators.


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    Robert2 S
    Senior Contributor Location: Australia Joined: Apr 22, 2009 05:57 Messages: 1461 Offline
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    A couple of points.

    1. I prefer Nvidia and am using sli GTX460's at the moment.

    2. Any computer using an on board graphics chip is behind the 8 ball before they even start, especially with video editing. (A caveat here, there is talk the new Intel Sandy Bridge on board chip is a whole new design and is showing promise)

    3. 32 bit windows will only allocate a maximum of 2 gig of memory to any one program no matter how much ram is in the system.

    4. I know I am poking old Murphy in the eye here, but I am having no problems with PD9'S rendering, editing, or producing. The only problem I have had is the latest Nvidia driver when using hardware acceleration to produce was causing artefacts in the finished video. Reverting back to 260.99 drivers solved the problem until nvidia fixes the driver.

    Cheers

    Robert2 S My youtube channel====> http://www.youtube.com/user/relate2?feature=mhsn
    chuckpuckett [Avatar]
    Member Location: Alabama Joined: Jan 30, 2011 09:41 Messages: 95 Offline
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    I am a little worried about power supply. I note that you more than doubled yours. I have an HP Elite, pretty sure it's only 300W (will check when I get home).

    I'll probably be shopping at NewEgg soon Chuck Puckett
    "I don't want to steal the show. I only want to borrow it for a while"
    http://www.puckettpublishing.com
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    Bubba in TX
    Senior Contributor Location: Central Texas Joined: Dec 12, 2009 21:32 Messages: 1332 Offline
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    I got the ULTRA brand... had them before... good and not as expensive as the game rated power supplies.

    In the past I have disabled my on board video and used a straight PCI video card. Back when you actually got some PCI slots.... and the last 3 had a pcie slot along with the on board video. Just turn it off in BIOS. I have only used on board video in my laptops...

    I don't use on board audio either. I use the creative Xfi THX USB. It frees up the precious few PCI slots that this HP has (2) and I have an 8 port USB in one of them.

    This HP is my first off the shelf computer (4 years old now) out of all the last couple dozen I have had. It had everything I wanted, plus a free 24" monitor (SAMS Club in house Christmas special) for $520

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