Hi Robert,

Will it allow you to save as .bmp, this will give massive file sizes though, but quality will be good.

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Hi Robert,

Are you using Photoshop or Photoshop Elements as I have a pano in Photoshop at the moment which is 5508 wide by 2505 high and saves no problem as a jpeg.

EDIT=====> I see you want a certain file size. I would not worry about file size too much as PD will do what it does to fit it into the video. Also I think it is always better to give PD as much information you can for it to work with. No use giving it a 500K photo and wanting PD to save it to Blu-ray quality.

The best quality is usually tiff which is an uncompressed format and some DSLR's save to this format.

Cheers

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Try .png as well.

But surely you can just try a few different formats and see?!?! Panasonic SD9, Panasonic TM700, Panasonic SD600, GoPro HD Hero.

Hello RobertJ. Lots of Roberts here I see. BMP hah? That would be huge but it is a crisp format. Anyway, in the end, will bmp convert easily to say MP$ for final rendering?

Hello Robert 2 S. I am using Photoshop Eliments 9. With the purchase of this new computer I upgraded from Eliments 6 where I was able to save .jpeg images at whatever resolution i wanted and did so by the thousands. I'm rather upset that Adobe is now taking it on themselves to determine what is to large to display on the internet. .jpeg is a file compression that does just about anything in ever needed to transfer by data cable but this new version is restricting me to 675 pixcels high. Someplace I'll find a work-around. I've never been whipped by a .jpeg file.

Robert 2 S. I can record in several RAW formats and in tiff files but to keep from filling my drives and the fact that .jpeg has always filled my needs before, I usually stick to it. I absolutely understand the lack of merit in puttin 500kb files into a project I want to end up HiDef BluRay. But if I say the heigth of my stills as .jpeg at 1080 pixels tall I will get a combination/best compromise of the best resolution and and most efficient file size for inclusion in wide scream TV projects. Somewhere I will defeat this new 675 pixel high Adobe .jpeg restriction or a 12 year old history with Adobe will end.

Thanks for the help guys. I may save at the larger files sizes of bmp or tiff files if I fing enough merit. I don't know if it will be worth it seeing that my new video camera cost about $229 U.S. LOL. Dell Studio XPS 7100 Minitower:
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pjc3. I think I know png files but do not recall what they are right now. Who is that? What are they? Dell Studio XPS 7100 Minitower:
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Hello RobertJ. Lots of Roberts here I see. BMP hah? That would be huge but it is a crisp format. Anyway, in the end, will bmp convert easily to say MP$ for final rendering?

Hello Robert 2 S. I am using Photoshop Eliments 9. With the purchase of this new computer I upgraded from Eliments 6 where I was able to save .jpeg images at whatever resolution i wanted and did so by the thousands. I'm rather upset that Adobe is now taking it on themselves to determine what is to large to display on the internet. .jpeg is a file compression that does just about anything in ever needed to transfer by data cable but this new version is restricting me to 675 pixcels high. Someplace I'll find a work-around. I've never been whipped by a .jpeg file.

Robert 2 S. I can record in several RAW formats and in tiff files but to keep from filling my drives and the fact that .jpeg has always filled my needs before, I usually stick to it. I absolutely understand the lack of merit in puttin 500kb files into a project I want to end up HiDef BluRay. But if I say the heigth of my stills as .jpeg at 1080 pixels tall I will get a combination/best compromise of the best resolution and and most efficient file size for inclusion in wide scream TV projects. Somewhere I will defeat this new 675 pixel high Adobe .jpeg restriction or a 12 year old history with Adobe will end.

Thanks for the help guys. I may save at the larger files sizes of bmp or tiff files if I fing enough merit. I don't know if it will be worth it seeing that my new video camera cost about $229 U.S. LOL. Dell Studio XPS 7100 Minitower:
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There is all kinds of wierd things happening for me on this web site. I did not multiple post.
Bare with me all, I'm a normal guy but my new computer isn't. Dell Studio XPS 7100 Minitower:
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Hmmmm. I just read an article comparing different file types for still image saves. png looks very interesting. It will start with larger files sizes but these file sizes don't grow with video duration. That and when they are converted to other file sizes, they shouldn't loose anything in the comversion like I expect is possible with lossy compression .jpeg files. But then again, I am only guessing. Dell Studio XPS 7100 Minitower:
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One thing to look at also is what file format you are saving the original image on the camera. I can switch between jpeg and Canon RAW. JPG will only save at 72 dpi, while RAW gives me a much bigger size. __________________________________
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Right now I have a stitched panoramic saved as large as my camera takes them. I am able to reproduce clear images when I insert individual .jpeg frames into a video but the stitch images are insisting on staying pencil thin visually horizontally. Whe I stretch them they look really badly pixelated. Anyway, I'm trying to do too much on the first week. I'll get it all figered out. Dell Studio XPS 7100 Minitower:
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They ggot a spell checker in this thing?

Not in the forum itself, but if you install the Google Tool Bar, there is a good spell checker in that.

Just search in Google for ToolBar or Tool bar.

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Quote: pjc3. I think I know png files but do not recall what they are right now. Who is that? What are they?

Portable Network Graphics (PNG) is a format developed after most of the others. It supports transparency, 24-bit, 8-bit grayscale, or palette-based color, an embedded gamma setting, interlacing, and lossless compression.

In other words, it will do just about anything you want except 32-bit color and 16-bit grey-scale. Jerry Schwartz

I found a nice write up on wikipedia last night that compared most of the common image file types. It helped a great deal. I'll use png when I have much manipulation to do in a video, otherwise, jpeg will still work and keep the file sizes down. A 20MB time lapse in high quality jpeg was 20.9 mb. The same time lapse in png was 90 mb.
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Its always been a bit of a debate. Whatever format and resolution an image is, PD has to convert it - firstly for timeline use, and also for final production.

In PD8 the "default" timeline resolution appeared to be relatively (very) low, 640x360. Of course there is no real way to test this other then by using the snapshot function. Obviously if the content of the main track was higher so was the snapshot, but taking snapshots of the PiP tracks could produce noticeably poorer results.

PD9 seems to have a timeline default of 1920x1080 (as was strongly suggested by sundry users of earlier versions). Again only the snapshot function illustrates this (Note the function of the checkbox in preferences>file>use original video size). A snapshot will default to 1920x1080.

PD9 also imports some RAW formats (I use Sony ARW successfully, I can't comment on others). However, on my system an ARW file 3872x2592@9.5MB is imported and converted by PD to a 1616x1080 jpg@136Kb. The jpg produced by the camera at the same time as the ARW file is 3872x2592@3.4MB.

A snapshot of the ARW converted to jpg by PD gives a .png image of 1920x1080@1.98MB
A snapshot of the camera produced jpg gives a .png image of 1920x1080@3.1MB
A snapshot of a 640x424@86Kb .jpg from a compact camera gives a.png image of 1920x1080 @2.38MB

However, using stills in a video means that any image will only have the ultimate resolution of the produced video (max 1920x1080).

So the question remains, is there a need to import high quality images or could the same results be obtained by limiting camera shooting to 1920x1080, since PD will need to downscale larger res files and upscale lower res files?

There may be less of a debate than previously when using snapshots from the timeline as raw material for parts of a video (often necessary for tutorials etc) where the quality was noticeably degraded - ie in PD8 a high res image was downscaled in the timeline snapshot, used in the timeline again and then upscaled for production.

I'm not sure that gives any help at all but I think PD9 is better, on balance, than PD8 was in this approach.

Cheers
Adrian




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Thank you Adrian. Both my dSLRs are only 6.3 megapixels and their best resolutions. I will always shoot at the resolution but my thinking goes along the lines of your post. If I do compression my way outside of PD9 and save stills to exactly 1080 high then I wont have to guess what some of the changes are that PD9 is doing to my images. The fewer times any digital format is manipulated there is a cost.
Right now I am putting a 1080 high pan (about 10,000 pixels wide) in the time line and pd9 is squashing it down to where it only fills the finished video frame about 20% leaving me with huge black bars top and bottom. When I import none panoramic stills, the stills fill the frame top to bottom. I don't understand this. If I can install pans and use pd9 to actually scroll across the pans, the image quality is much greater than inserting actual video pans from my cheap HD camera. Dell Studio XPS 7100 Minitower:
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Assuming 16:9, PD is trying to fit the pan to a standard screen size. Hence a 10,000 pixel width (roughly 5x a full HD width) is only filling roughly 20% of the screen height.

I suggest you import the pan, place on the timeline, click modify, in the PiP Designer window untick maintain aspect ratio, then move the edges of your pan "off screen" as it where - in effect keeping the correct height but extending the width back to the the original pan size. You have to use the principle of using the screen as a "window" through which to view a much larger image.

You can then apply a motion path to the pan and move it across the screen, thus giving the panning effect I assume you want?

Cheers
Adrian

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